An excellent NPR report on the White House exposing a CIA agent.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

It's clear as day that is what occurred and even a Republican appointed independent council came to that conclusion.

In case you haven't noticed, Fitzgerald's timeline and theory just got shot to ****...

Must be nice to leave in your little corner of Rushland where facts and truth no longer matter.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015605

Woodward is just continuing the same line he's been using for months. He's attempting to undermine and investigation which has/had him as a primary target.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You don't think Woodward is a hero for bringing down Nixon? Man, you better not let any of your fellow travellers hear that (at least not the old ones)...

Woodward didn't bring down Nixon. Nixon brought down Nixon. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree that Nixon was the architect of his own (rightful) demise, would you?

I had no opinion of Woodward at all, but his behavior in the this situation has certainly undermined his credibility. Especially given Pincus' statements (and he has no reason to lie about it, unlike Woodward).

[Drake Tungsten]

Must be nice to leave in your little corner of Rushland where facts and truth no longer matter.

OK. I guess Woodward's claim that he learned of Plame's identity from an administration official long before Libby was supposed to have leaked anything doesn't mean that Fitzgerald's claim that Libby was the first administration official to leak the information is questionable. I would be able to see that, if only I would leave "Rushland" for the "reality-based community".

Christ, you guys are the comedy gift that keeps on giving...

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Lies is a charge that you'd have to work a bit harder to make stick considering the statements coming from the Clinton Admin on. Incompetence would be the better charge to stick to stick to seeing as how even if the WMD had been there the justification for war would still had been slim.

What your point is I could care less.

My point which you conceeded is that the CIA deserves to be bashed on the record alone. So what's wrong with giving them the bashing they've earned.

Regarding your point, it's irrelevent. You can start your own thread on it if you want.

Lies is easy to prove. We can do it on televised soundbytes alone. Cheney himself has hours of stuff like this. Here's the first hit on Google:

[Berzerker]

Lies is a charge that you'd have to work a bit harder to make stick considering the statements coming from the Clinton Admin on. Incompetence would be the better charge to stick to stick to seeing as how even if the WMD had been there the justification for war would still had been slim.

How many false claims do we need to hear before liar applies to these people? Hundreds? Thousands? According to Scott Ritter (and the public record) our policy was not disarming Saddam, it was regime change. The WMD argument was used for people who did not support regime change.

Did Clinton claim Saddam was seeking yellowcake from Niger? Did he say Atta met with Iraqi intel in Prague? If Clinton lied, his lies were limited to maintaining sanctions, etc. Invading required much more deceit... Btw, Clinton did lie. The CIA was using the UN inspections to set up coups and assassination attempts. The whole thing was bogus...

Drake

OK. I guess Woodward's claim that he learned of Plame's identity from an administration official long before Libby was supposed to have leaked anything doesn't mean that Fitzgerald's claim that Libby was the first administration official to leak the information is questionable. I would be able to see that, if only I would leave "Rushland" for the "reality-based community".

Christ, you guys are the comedy gift that keeps on giving...

Fitz said Libby was the first "known" leaker.

[Drake Tungsten]

Fitz said Libby was the first "known" leaker.

Yeah and that Libby must've been lying about hearing the information from reporters because he was the first known leaker. Oops...

[Boris Godunov]

So what? The core issue is whether or not Libby lied to the grand jury about his conversations with Russert and Cooper. The Woodward testimony doesn't seem to change any of that, especially since Woodward has insisted he told no one about the information he got until now. Clearly, Libby didn't hear it from Woodward. Fitzgerald's case does not depend on Libby being the first Administration flunky to talk to a reporter.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Woodward didn't bring down Nixon. Nixon brought down Nixon.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Fitz said Libby was the first "known" leaker.

Yeah and that Libby must've been lying about hearing the information from reporters because he was the first known leaker. Oops...

He was the first provable leaker. Huge difference.

[Drake Tungsten]

"In fact, Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson." - Patrick Fitzgerald

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/politics/28text-fitz.html?ex=1132290000&en=ce988befe9f722ed&ei=5070&pagewanted=print

Seems like Fitz himself thinks that Libby was the first known leaker, not the first provable one.

[Berzerker]

Drake

Yeah and that Libby must've been lying about hearing the information from reporters because he was the first known leaker. Oops...

He may have lied, indictment does not automatically equal guilt or innocence, just that there is enough evidence to proceed with a trial. Have any reporters (Woodward) said they told Libby about Plame before he started feeding the leak to Miller? Fitz didn't say Libby was the first to leak as you and others have claimed. He's the first known leaker. Btw, if a reporter tells a WH official "John Doe" is CIA, it doesn't become legal for the official to tell other reporters about John Doe.

[Drake Tungsten]

Libby may still go down; Fitzgerald may have enough evidence to nail him, despite this. I'm just saying that Woodward's revelations have shot Fitzgerald's timeline to hell, which is going to make it much more difficult to nail Libby on perjury. The fact that Woodward and who knows who else (Andrea Mitchell?) were floating around with the information makes it easier for Libby's lawyers to convince a jury that Libby could've picked up the information from reporters.

[DanS]

There's a rumor reported by Newsweek that Armitage is the leaker...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10117465/site/newsweek/

It would be a real shame if it's him. Even though I didn't agree with him on many things, I respect him a lot and the service he's done for this country over the decades.

[Ted Striker]

Washington Post rebukes Bob Woodward

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The Washington Post's ombudsman rebuked journalist Bob Woodward on Sunday for withholding what he knew about the CIA leak probe from his editor and for making public statements that were dismissive of the investigation without disclosing his own involvement.

In a column highly critical of Woodward's conduct, Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell said the newspaper took a "hit to its credibility" and called for more oversight of Woodward's work.

"He has to operate under the rules that govern the rest of the staff -- even if he's rich and famous," Howell wrote of Woodward, one of the two Washington Post reporters famed for coverage of the 1970s Watergate scandal that brought down President Richard Nixon.

Howell said Woodward committed a "deeply serious sin" by keeping Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie in the dark about his source for more than two years.

"He also committed another journalistic sin -- commenting on National Public Radio and (CNN's) "Larry King Live" about the Plame investigation without disclosing his early knowledge of Plame's identity," Howell wrote.

In a series of television and radio interviews before publicly disclosing his involvement in the leak case, Woodward described the leak case as laughable and Fitzgerald's behavior as "disgraceful."

One day before Fitzgerald brought charges against Vice President Dick Cheney's long-time chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Woodward said he saw no evidence of criminal intent.

Woodward has apologized to Downie, who said "Bob made a mistake" by not informing him sooner of his source on Plame.

"He made a mistake going on television, giving his opinions about the investigation. ... He shouldn't have been expressing those opinions," Downie added on CNN's "Reliable Sources."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/20/cia.leak.reut/index.html

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by DanS
There's a rumor reported by Newsweek that Armitage is the leaker...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10117465/site/newsweek/

It would be a real shame if it's him. Even though I didn't agree with him on many things, I respect him a lot and the service he's done for this country over the decades.

Is he the REAL leaker or is he another Oliver North fall guy trying to take the blame for the whole team?