Anyone Watching Rome On HBO

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Sava
Although I am not sure what is going to happen after Caesar dies. Are they going to continue the story with Marc Antony and Cleopatra? And then with Octavian?

I read somewhere that it was only intended as a one season thing but the popularity caught it off guard. I don't know if that's how it went or not but I don't know where they will take it after. They do sometimes skip many years in a single episode so Hopefully the writers can continue to write great shows.

Anyone here have a favorite character?

[Dis]

maybe they will jump around the timeline. Although that might confuse a lot of viewers.

[MrFun]

So if I manage to steal someone's car while the owner is sleeping, and then I return it before the owner has even woke up, I never stole it, because, the owner never suffered from any loss as he was asleep at the time, and therefore, could not have used his car anyway.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by MrFun
So if I manage to steal someone's car while the owner is sleeping, and then I return it before the owner has even woke up, I never stole it, because, the owner never suffered from any loss as he was asleep at the time, and therefore, could not have used his car anyway.

Assuming that no machanical damage or alterations was done to the car (and also assuming that we aren't going to be as pedantic as to consider the lost mileage) and also that the tank was filled up before it was returned, no - it's certainly not stealing. Hell, the car owner would probably get a bit of free gas out of it and nobody would even be able to tell it ever happened anyways.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by General Ludd



Assuming that no machanical damage or alterations was done to the car (and also assuming that we aren't going to be as pedantic as to consider the lost mileage) and also that the tank was filled up before it was returned, no - it's certainly not stealing. Hell, the car owner would probably get a bit of free gas out of it and nobody would even be able to tell it ever happened anyways.

"joyriding"

and yes, it is a crime in and of itself.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by PLATO


"joyriding"

and yes, it is a crime in and of itself.

You see! One does not need a law degree to see the light!

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by MrFun
So if I manage to steal someone's car while the owner is sleeping, and then I return it before the owner has even woke up, I never stole it, because, the owner never suffered from any loss as he was asleep at the time, and therefore, could not have used his car anyway.

Your analogy doesn't work. The owner has lost the car for that period of time, he just did not know it. Downloading a TV show is more like stopping outside someone's house, copying their car using advanced 3D printing technology, and then driving off. All the car owner has lost is the opportunity to sell you the car.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat

Your analogy doesn't work. The owner has lost the car for that period of time, he just did not know it. Downloading a TV show is more like stopping outside someone's house, copying their car using advanced 3D printing technology, and then driving off. All the car owner has lost is the opportunity to sell you the car.

My analogy still works -- we're arguing whether or not you have stolen something if there is no loss.

Since my analogy focuses on the fact that you stole the car without the owner being aware that it was stolen, and that he wouldn't have been able to use it by time one returned the car, my analogy still fits the idea of "borrowing" something without the owner suffering from any loss -- based on the flawed definition of stealing as described by Sava, of course.

[Immortal Wombat]

It doesn't work. Because there is still a loss - just an unnoticed one.

Originally posted by MrFun
So in Sava's little world of imagination, I can take whatever I want, from anyone, without the owner's permission, as long I don't think the owner would suffer any loss.

This is the point where you misunderstand Sava. You say it is not stealing when the owner does not suffer the loss. Sava says it is not stealing when there is no loss to be suffered. Your car analogy is the former, not the latter.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
It doesn't work. Because there is still a loss - just an unnoticed one.


This is the point where you misunderstand Sava. You say it is not stealing when the owner does not suffer the loss. Sava says it is not stealing when there is no loss to be suffered. Your car analogy is the former, not the latter.

How the hell can you differentiate between "not suffering a loss" and "no loss to be suffered?"

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by MrFun



You see! One does not need a law degree to see the light!

Ah, yes. Ignore the argument and quote someone elses half-sentence reply to it instead. I am clearly in the presense of a master debater.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by MrFun
How the hell can you differentiate between "not suffering a loss" and "no loss to be suffered?"

In the obvious way. If you are unaware that you have lost something, you do not suffer the loss, but it is still there (car). If there is no loss, then you cannot be suffering because you have not lost anything (Rome).

[General Ludd]

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[Dis]

Originally posted by MrFun
So if I manage to steal someone's car while the owner is sleeping, and then I return it before the owner has even woke up, I never stole it, because, the owner never suffered from any loss as he was asleep at the time, and therefore, could not have used his car anyway.

you put more wear and tear on the engine parts.

[Dis]

Originally posted by PLATO


"joyriding"

and yes, it is a crime in and of itself.

most joyriders (at least in my city) do not return the car. They abandon it somewhere and wait for the cops to pick it up. then the owner has to pay to get it out of impound etc.