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Again I think it would be important to note that America's stance on the issue is due to them being on the winning side of the steamroller. In other, more delicate instances, we see how truly anti-protectionist they are.
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What are you talking about? Our largest car parts maker is bankrupt, with two of the three pioneers in carmaking soon to follow. Have you heard anybody suggest that the government would shield them more than they are now from competition?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You are conflating the government and private industry. Of course, the US governmetn doesn't receive that "85% of sales," the movies studios do. But that revenue helps the economy.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Culture spendings are notoriously deficitatry. It's only an investment "when you get 85% of the world's sales".
In the same way, you can't really say that cultural spending is a poor investment just because the French government won't make a profit; that's not the point. This decision will be a windfall for the private French filmmakers (and those of other countries), and the French government is looking out for their financial interests. That's what a government is supposed to do, and there isn't neccessarily anything wrong with that - the problem is that this is not an issue for UNESCO, and that these other governments are hijacking a UN council for the purposes of blatant self-promotion of their economies at the expense of the US, and lying through their teeth about it to make it sound like they're doing it to preserve their culture and human rights.Lime roots and treachery!
"Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake TungstenComment
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We've been through this before. Cue discussion about the non-existent quotas against Cirque de Soleil and La Femme. Anime DVDs taking over the store shelves, etc.Last edited by DanS; October 21, 2005, 09:16.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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So, you agree that poor Americans are fighingt desperately for their money against 148 greedy nations.Originally posted by Cyclotron
Do you think that either side of this debate is actually talking about something other than money? It should be obvious that "culture" in this case is just a thin veneer over the greed of all those other governments. It's really a shame they have to use the UN to get what they want - the cash that America makes in ticket and syndication sales. If you think they're really in this because they're concerned about their poor, unfortunate national culture, think again.
Incidentally, those 148 greedy nations are stupid to condamn themselves not to see only hollywood movies when 100% would be possible (and would make the US so happy).Statistical anomaly.
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Yes, of course. Or more correctly, 148 greedy nations are trying desperately to grab America's profits, which America is greedily trying to defend. That is obvious. What is laughable is that the 148 are trying to take the moral high ground by excusing their petty money-grab with "cultural interests."Originally posted by DAVOUT
So, you agree that poor Americans are fighingt desperately for their money against 148 greedy nations.
Incidentally, those 148 greedy nations are stupid to condamn themselves not to see only hollywood movies when 100% would be possible (and would make the US so happy).Lime roots and treachery!
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We shouldn't allow any immigrants from any country that denies our imports on the basis of "cultrual purity/interests"... seeing as the US imports much of it's cultureComment
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What is particularly laughable is that poor Americans have not yet found a counter-argument as good.Originally posted by Cyclotron
What is laughable is that the 148 are trying to take the moral high ground by excusing their petty money-grab with "cultural interests."
Statistical anomaly.
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Here is my admittedly American-style pro-free market view point:
The problem is that the French government is trying to detrmine what the French people can watch. I happen to believe that the French people are perfectly capable of voting with their Euros and chosing their own media. If the people have been chosing American movies, what right does the government have to proscribe that? How can they argue that their are working on the behalf of their citizens when their citizens have been making a different choice on their own?
And sorry, but it IS all about trade. The economic problem is THE problem of the human race. It drives pretty much every action one takes other than basic animal drives.Got my new computer!!!!Comment
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What are you talking about? That argument is retarded!What is particularly laughable is that poor Americans have not yet found a counter-argument as good.Comment
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When we are talking about things like quotas, art is just another product. Good products are products that sell well.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I don't see how "the market" can determine what is "good," since the "invisible hand" is presumably amoral.Got my new computer!!!!Comment
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On the other hand, that could be because of other influences. Both movies were produced by the same director, by the way.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
The French can pull off wonderous films like Amelie or City of Lost Children precisely because they can don't have to gear their industry to turning out Doom, Flightplan and retreads of old TV shows.
I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).Comment
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I am possibly retarded, but the argument is not. The fact is that with the exception of Israel the US have found themselves quite alone on this issue despite all arguments they presented. Of course, if they limited their argument to the usual "Those who are not with me are against me", which is worse than retarded, they could hardly convince any one to change their mind.Originally posted by Japher
What are you talking about? That argument is retarded!
Statistical anomaly.
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You think that your government would let, say, Chinese movies take 85% of ticket sales without lifting a finger?Originally posted by DanS
We've been through this before. Cue discussion about the non-existent quotas against Cirque de Soleil and La Femme. Anime DVDs taking over the store shelves, etc.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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