Math works against theory of evolution!

[JohnT]

One of my favorite games is back! "Guess how many smilies Sava will use in the OP in his new thread?" I guessed 13... off by one.

[Provost Harrison]

Perhaps between us we can compose a well-written letter in riposte. I've always wanted to strike a blow to people like this...the problem is, I just couldn't give a flying f**k at the moment...

[Sava]

Originally posted by JohnT
One of my favorite games is back! "Guess how many smilies Sava will use in the OP in his new thread?" I guessed 13... off by one.

8

thumbs don't count

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme
The crucial point is that some mutations are conserved!

Also the fact that the human DNA did not appear out from scratch. It got there one mutation at a time, with natural selection weeding out the harmful ones.

I have seen this fallacy a great number of times, usually stated in the "analogy of making a watch by shaking parts in a tray" form.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Re: Re: Math works against theory of evolution!

Originally posted by Sava
I pwned a lady who made some absurd claim that like over 165,000 people die a year from second hand smoke. According to the government estimates, the number is about 3,000 deaths a year from second hand smoke.

For all of the US or just a part of it?

[Sava]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Math works against theory of evolution!

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


For all of the US or just a part of it?

for all of the US, about 3,000 people a year die of second hand smoke...

[Dr Strangelove]

There are 4 types of nucleosides in DNA, adenosine, cytosine, guanidine and thymidine. A series of 3 nucleotides forms a codon, the basic unit which is translated into 3 corresponding ribonucleotides which in turn are transcribed into one of the corresponding amino acids. The ultimate expression of DNA is the formation of proteins, which constitute the various anabolic and catabolic metabolic pathways, and perform a variety of other cellular functions. Proteins vary in the number of amino acid units, most have between 20 and one hundred amino acids. Let's assume that the average protein has 50 amino acids, the gene carrying the code for the formation of that gene would have 50 codons, each having 3 nucleotides, so the totla number of nucleotides would be 150. Humans cells are currently thought to have merely 30,000 genes, which would be composed of perhaps about 5 million nucleotides. The total number of nucleotides in the 23 chromosomes is 30 times that, because it turns out that miuch of that DNA is "non-sense" - it doesn't code for anything but for now is thought to primarily just fill up space. To date the organism with the smallest genome is a type of mycobacterium which has merely 400 genes. This genome would possess roughly 60,000 nucleotiside units.

[Sava]

[Sava]

dude, can anyone else understand wtf doc wsaid? or am i just really stoned right now?T!@

i'll jhave to read this gagain in the morning...

i got a's in biology, but it wasn't my favorite subject..

gotta catch up on some of that vocabulary!!@

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
dude, can anyone else understand wtf doc wsaid? or am i just really stoned right now?T!@

The latter.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


The latter.

tyeah you are right!#

[Provost Harrison]

I can understand what Doc said with consumate ease. However not all of that non-coding DNA is just junk either...there are so many components involved in replication, gene regulation, transcription binding sites, termination of transcription, etc. The three nucleotides=codon=amino acid is the tip of the iceberg. There is so much there to describe when genes are expressed, at what point in the cell cycle, at what point in the organisms cycle to allow cell differentiation - after all, to get histological differences cells need to express their own genes (hepatocytes are different from neurons which in turn a different from B-cells). There is so much of our DNA that is involved in non-coding functions. And remember, DNA can be changed as required - parts transposed to other parts of the genome, sections methylated to prevent transcription. It isn't fixed in location and position like a hard drive either, it is rather fluid.

The amount of DNA has been increased over time by faults in replication - huge base shifts due to errors in replication and insertion of duplicate sections (that goes back to my previous post about domains).

[Kuciwalker]

I can understand what Doc said with consumate ease.

Unfortunately, you have more difficulty spelling.

[Provost Harrison]

Do you have anything valuable to contribute that pedantry? A spellcheck can fix my spelling, no amount of therapy can give you a nice personality.

[molly bloom]

Tsk, tsk, such personal attacks.


How unseemly, yet strangely familiar....