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  • #31
    Yes. I am just in extreme SouthWeast spanish atlantic coast and it was rather weak. Surely sea water here is too cold. Rain was useful however.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Az
      Your alternative theory is eagerly awaited, Stew.
      It appears global warming is now the God of the Gaps.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by faded glory
        The only problem with this global warming mumbo jumbo.

        The water was 72 degrees. Thats still waaaaay to damn cold.
        Hence it being an extra-tropical storm, i.e., one that forms outside of the tropics. It is not the first time such a storm has formed over cold water. Consider the "Perfect Storm." It formed over cold water and yet it became a hurricane.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Az
          Your alternative theory is eagerly awaited, Stew.
          Isn't that the same logic behind "God did it" for most of human history?

          EDIT: PA beat me to it.

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          • #35
            except that warmer weather is a plausible explanation for the higher number of tropical storms and their weird locations.
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            • #36
              Global warming is a measured and observable phenomenon.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                Global warming is a measured and observable phenomenon.
                So is the insurgency in Iraq. Clearly *it* is to blame!

                except that warmer weather is a plausible explanation for the higher number of tropical storms and their weird locations.


                Eh, why?

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                • #38
                  Warmer waters = better organisation of disturbed low pressure systems => more tropical cyclones

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                  • #39
                    Except that there's no reason to believe that's really an issue in waters that are much too cold for these things to occur the normal way anyhow.

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                    • #40
                      Except that when the waters with hurricane building capacity are expanding, then there may be generated more hurricanes.
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                      • #41
                        Actually, what Vince tells us is that what we thought we knew about the formation of these storms was inadequate.

                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #42

                          Isn't that the same logic behind "God did it" for most of human history?

                          EDIT: PA beat me to it.


                          Actually, it's quite on the contrary. "God in the gaps" seeks to place god's work in between the mounting realms of human knowledge and evidence. Same as with "other stuff besides CO2 driven global warming drives crazy weather". God doesn't provide simpler answers to questions of existance - global warming does.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Az

                            Isn't that the same logic behind "God did it" for most of human history?

                            EDIT: PA beat me to it.


                            Actually, it's quite on the contrary. "God in the gaps" seeks to place god's work in between the mounting realms of human knowledge and evidence. Same as with "other stuff besides CO2 driven global warming drives crazy weather". God doesn't provide simpler answers to questions of existance - global warming does.
                            You are quite rigth except for one thing - it's still not proven that CO2 is to be blamed for current climatic changes - especially not manmade CO2.
                            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                            • #44
                              Tropical storms are Carnot engines driven by the sea surface temperature. It's pretty solid on physical grounds that global warming would lead to increasing tropical storm intensities (the one caveat is that the melting of the polar ice caps would lead to a smaller North-South temperature gradient, and thus less instability). There was an interesting paper in Nature published in August (by a guy named Emanuel) where the annual power dissipation by tropical cyclones (though, one might quibble with his definition of power dissipation) is really ****ing well coorelated with the sea surface temperatures over the last 30 years. So, theory and the evidence come together pretty well here.
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                              • #45
                                Hey, people, it's ****ing Ramo! What's up, Ramo!


                                blackcat:

                                You are quite rigth except for one thing - it's still not proven that CO2 is to be blamed for current climatic changes - especially not manmade CO2.

                                Even if you say thast current theory isn't backed up by enough evidence ( and I disagree with that), It's still a scientific theory, which has some evidence, and has a solid chain of logic from that evidence. Again, nothing like religion.
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