CIA worked in tandem with Pakistan to create Taliban.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin

The US started a vaccination program to help Vietnamese peasants

Yeah, I heard about that fancy american vaccine. It's called "agent orange", right?

They pretty much murdered and terrorized civilians into getting there way. The US had a policy of burning troublesome villages and having the villagers relocated further south (away from the border) but that is a far cry from the mass killings you were claiming.

And the main tool of that policy was B-52, right?

[Dinner]

Serb, Serb, Serb.

[Serb]

What?

[DaShi]

UR, like most Chinese citizens, isn't taught about communist China's role in South East Asia, especially concerning Cambodia. However, he, like most Chinse citizens, is taught exaggerated claims of US atrocities there. Chinese history revision has nothing on Japan.

Currently, China is trying to block the Khmer Rouge trial for fear of making its support of the regime known worldwide.

[Berzerker]

The US stopped giving aid to the Afghans as soon as the Soviets left but Pakistan continued right up until 2001.

We were giving them money for our drug war almost right up until 9/11

[Serb]

Originally posted by Berzerker
When did this encouragement to attack the Russkies begin? I heard a former Carter SC member (Brezinski?) say we were helping Muslims fight in Afghanistan before the Russians invaded to prop up the government in the attempt to create a Soviet "Vietnam".

Enjoy your reading.

Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski about how the US provoked the Soviet Union into invadingAfghanistan and starting the whole mess

Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his
memoirs [From the Shadows], that American intelligence services
began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan six months before the
Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national
security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a
role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history,
CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say,
after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the
reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise:
Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the
first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet
regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the
president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid
was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Question: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action.
But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and
looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to
intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they
would.

Question: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting
that they intended to fight against secret involvement of the
United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them.
However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything
today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and
you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially
crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, in substance: We
now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.
Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war
unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about
the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Question: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic
fundamentalists, having given arms and advice to future
terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The
Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up
Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the
cold war?**

Question: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated:
Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in
regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam.
Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or
emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5
billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi
Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism,
Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more
than what unites the Christian countries.


* There are at least two editions of this magazine; with the
perhaps sole exception of the Library of Congress, the version
sent to the United States is shorter than the French version, and
the Brzezinski interview was not included in the shorter version.** It should be noted that there is no demonstrable connection between the Afghanistan war and the breakup of the Soviet Union
and its satellites.

This interview was translated from the French by William Blum,
Author of "Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions
Since World War II" and "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only
Superpower". Portions of the books can be read at:
http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm (with a link to
Killing Hope)

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/brz.htm

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ramo

The Times of India is actually a fairly reliable paper.

Yes, Pakistan was instrumental in supporting the Taleban (just as India and Iran were instrumental in supporting the Northern Alliance).

How exactly India supported the Northern Alliance without a common border with Afghanistan?

You essentially had a proxy war between Pakistan and India playing out in Afghanistan.

Actually it was a war between Northern Alliance, Iran and Russia vs. the Taliban and Pakistan.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The US stopped giving aid to the Afghans as soon as the Soviets left...

Don't think so. The US continued to pumping up the Taliban even after 1989 when all Soviet forces were withdrawn, 'cause Soviets left a communist government there and that government (the government of president Najibula) was a pain in the ass for both US and Pakistan. Najibula's government fought vs. your beloved Talibs for three years up to 1992 (when USSR didn't exist already) and lost mostly because your loyal asslickers Gorbachev and Eltsin refused to trade equipment and fuel to Najibula, while you keep pumping Talibs through the Pakistan with money and hardware.

[Patroklos]

Does UR know about how China got its ass handed to them in a completely conventional conflict by Vietnam?

[Saras]

It never happened, Patroklos. China is teh good!

[Serb]

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[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Does UR know about how China got its ass handed to them in a completely conventional conflict by Vietnam?

Are you talking about the same Vietnam wich whiped your superior asses in a completely conventional war?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
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BDSM in international lover relationships

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_War

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


The US Cold War practices were much viler.

[Serb]

I've never thought that so sad truth could be so funny.