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  • CIA worked in tandem with Pakistan to create Taliban.

    Big mistake.

    “CIA worked in tandem with Pak to create Taliban”
    LONDON: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here.
    "I warned them that we were creating a monster," Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars said at the conference here last week on "Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia."
    Harrison said: "The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan." The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said.
    Harrison, who spoke before the Taliban assault on the Buddha statues was launched, told the gathering of security experts that he had meetings with CIA leaders at the time when Islamic forces were being strengthened in Afghanistan. "They told me these people were fanatical, and the more fierce they were the more fiercely they would fight the Soviets," he said. "I warned them that we were creating a monster."
    Harrison, who has written five books on Asian affairs and US relations with Asia, has had extensive contact with the CIA and political leaders in South Asia. Harrison was a senior associate of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace between 1974 and 1996.
    Harrison who is now senior fellow with The Century Foundation recalled a conversation he had with the late Gen Zia-ul Haq of Pakistan. "Gen Zia spoke to me about expanding Pakistan's sphere of influence to control Afghanistan, then Uzbekistan and Tajikstan and then Iran and Turkey," Harrison said. That design continues, he said. Gen.Mohammed Aziz who was involved in that Zia plan has been elevated now to a key position by Chief Executive, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Harrison said.
    The old associations between the intelligence agencies continue, Harrison said. "The CIA still has close links with the ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence)."
    Today that money and those weapons have helped build up the Taliban, Harrison said. "The Taliban are not just recruits from 'madrassas' (Muslim theological schools) but are on the payroll of the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence, the intelligence wing of the Pakistani government)." The Taliban are now "making a living out of terrorism."
    Harrison said the UN Security Council resolution number 1333 calls for an embargo on arms to the Taliban. "But it is a resolution without teeth because it does not provide sanctions for non-compliance," he said. "The US is not backing the Russians who want to give more teeth to the resolution."
    Now it is Pakistan that "holds the key to the future of Afghanistan," Harrison said. The creation of the Taliban was central to Pakistan's "pan-Islamic vision," Harrison said.
    It came after "the CIA made the historic mistake of encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan," he said. The creation of the Taliban had been "actively encouraged by the ISI and the CIA," he said. "Pakistan has been building up Afghan collaborators who will sustain Pakistan," he said. (IANS)


    - The Times of India 7 March 2001


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  • #2
    So when did this not become public knlowledge known by everyone who bothered to read even the most biased of history book?

    In the 1980s USSR #1 ass monley and muslim extreamists #2 ass monkey.

    USSR gone, muslim extremists promoted to #1 ass monkey.

    Since when is it bad policy to have your enemies fight each other?
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    • #3
      Old news
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      • #4
        And when you'll learn to read the whole article instead of headline?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Patroklos
          So when did this not become public knlowledge known by everyone who bothered to read even the most biased of history book?

          In the 1980s USSR #1 ass monley and muslim extreamists #2 ass monkey.

          USSR gone, muslim extremists promoted to #1 ass monkey.

          Since when is it bad policy to have your enemies fight each other?
          I think what he's trying to point out is Pakistan's role. Notice at the bottom of the article "The Times of India 7 March 2001"

          Seems the source is a bit biased, but probably isn't wholly wrong in its assertion.

          Edit: I never heard about Pakistan playing part in all that, but whatever. It was still a bloody mess any way you cut it.
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          • #6
            old news
            "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
            "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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            • #7
              Serb trying to vilify US cold war policies in order to whitewash USSR coldwar policies

              Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
              Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Saras
                Serb trying to vilify US cold war policies in order to whitewash USSR coldwar policies

                The US Cold War practices were much viler.
                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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                • #9
                  When did this encouragement to attack the Russkies begin? I heard a former Carter SC member (Brezinski?) say we were helping Muslims fight in Afghanistan before the Russians invaded to prop up the government in the attempt to create a Soviet "Vietnam".

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                  • #10
                    The US backed every anti-Soviet force in Afghanistan not just the Taliban. They gave them money, training, and weapons just as the Soviets did for the North Vietnamese. Basically, the US was determined to turn Afghanistan into the USSR's Vietnam and they did a pretty good job.

                    Unfortunately, the US also gave money to Pakistan to give to the Afghans in order to make it look like the US wasn't the only ones giving aid to the afghans. The Pakistani government has long been in bed with Islamic fundimentalist groups and they ended up only giving aid to, you guessed it, the Taliban. The US stopped giving aid to the Afghans as soon as the Soviets left but Pakistan continued right up until 2001.

                    The result was in the post Soviet civil war not just the Communists were destroyed but also the liberals and the democratic groups as well. Supposedly, the Paki intelligence community is still in bed with Islamic groups and has been caught tipping these groups off when the US or Pakistani governments come to arrest some Islamists.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                      The US Cold War practices were much viler.
                      You get a big rolleye soup for that one.

                      The torture and terrorism which the USSR and China both created in South Vietnam and then Cambodia would be hard to top. North Korea's subhuman policies might do it though.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        The torture and terrorism which the USSR and China both created in South Vietnam and then Cambodia would be hard to top.
                        The US forces were wiping out entire villages in South Vietnam. That is terrorism. OTOH, VC was strictly targeting military AFAIK.

                        And then there were those death squads in Central America.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                          The US Cold War practices were much viler.
                          And the great leap forward cost maybe 5 lives of elderly ladies.
                          Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                          Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                          Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                          • #14
                            I think what he's trying to point out is Pakistan's role. Notice at the bottom of the article "The Times of India 7 March 2001"

                            Seems the source is a bit biased, but probably isn't wholly wrong in its assertion.

                            Edit: I never heard about Pakistan playing part in all that, but whatever. It was still a bloody mess any way you cut it.


                            The Times of India is actually a fairly reliable paper.

                            Yes, Pakistan was instrumental in supporting the Taleban (just as India and Iran were instrumental in supporting the Northern Alliance). You essentially had a proxy war between Pakistan and India playing out in Afghanistan.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                              The US forces were wiping out entire villages in South Vietnam. That is terrorism. OTOH, VC was strictly targeting military AFAIK.
                              You can't be serious about that. Civilians were the most common targets for the Viet Cong. Doctors, teachers, businessmen, or even farmers or village elders who they thought were to bougouise were all assassinated. The US started a vaccination program to help Vietnamese peasants and the Viet Cong's favorate tactic was to go into a village and cut off the arms of any child who had been vaccinated.

                              They pretty much murdered and terrorized civilians into getting there way. The US had a policy of burning troublesome villages and having the villagers relocated further south (away from the border) but that is a far cry from the mass killings you were claiming.
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