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We can't blame them, they can't formulate consistent, rational thoughts about bits and bytes how can they possibly understand humanism and the respect for human life. 
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Free Tibet? I'll take it!
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It's TEA! TEA, YOU ****ER!I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I believe the thread starter was asking people's opinions about the legitimacy of China's claim on Tibet, not how the International community feels about it.Originally posted by GePap
Its so sad to see people in Poly are so deluded about this issue.
Not that that is much of a surprise thought.
I think it's more a question of whether people believe it is morally right or not, instead of the legality of it.
I'm not sure though.
As you've pointed out, there isn't any dispute as to the legality of China's claim on Tibet. At least not as far as the international community is concerned.
Now Poly tubbies and activists, well, that's another story.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Why would you say that?Originally posted by GePap
Its so sad to see people in Poly are so deluded about this issue.
Not that that is much of a surprise thought.Comment
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China's claim to soverignty over Tibet is as valid as the US's claim to half of itself. Ditto for Russia, or India's hold on Kashmir (and Pakitan's for that matter), or as Draco said, Indonesia's claim to Iryan Java.
Even on purely nationalistic terms, as Che already said, a significant portion of the population of Tibet, if not half or more, is Han Chinese already. That is not going to change.
So yes, I do find it fascinating that people get all huffy about China's control of this region. Any Chinese government that solidified itself after the collapse of centralized control from 1911 onwards was bound to ensure its complete control in the area, Communist or otherwise.
What tibet needs is a government in Beijing that is not authoritarian.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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can time turn a situation which started in an illegitimate way, into something legitimate?
like people living there for generations? what do you think?I need a foot massageComment
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Worse than Mao? Because that is what I was disputing.Um, the Dalai Lama is a very bad person. Or at least was.Comment
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Mao, 50 million and counting. I think he killed or is responsible for more people dying than any other person in the history of world.Originally posted by Dracon II
Worse than Mao? Because that is what I was disputing.Comment
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Well... I'm not sure of the precise figures. But he was a terrible statesman... at least from from the late fifties onwards.Originally posted by Joseph
Mao, 50 million and counting. I think he killed or is responsible for more people dying than any other person in the history of world.Comment
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Today is after 40+ years of colonisation.The majority of the population of Tibet today is Chinese. Normally I wouldn't bother to toss that in
So its legitimate to invade countries run by a-holes who ignore many human rights? Especially if you're that paragon of civility called China?The feudal order under the Dalai Lama practiced slavery and was dictatorship
Like maybe Iraq?
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Time does not create legitimacy. It creates facts on the ground that in the end may overule any issue of legitimacy.Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
can time turn a situation which started in an illegitimate way, into something legitimate?
like people living there for generations? what do you think?If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
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Originally posted by Sava
whatever UR... I saw "Seven Years In Tibet" starring Brad Pitt...
that kid was cute, there's no way he grew up to be bad...
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Thanks for the laugh Sava. Good to have you back. Be a good boy this time.
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Facinating question.Originally posted by Dracon II
Worse than Mao? Because that is what I was disputing.
The Dalai Lama was a bad person because evil actions were born out of bad intentions. OTOH, a strong case can be made that Mao meant well. It is just that he did not foresee some consequences of his actions.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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You have mistaken Tibet for an independent country.Originally posted by Berzerker
So its legitimate to invade countries run by a-holes who ignore many human rights?(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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