The movie Fern Gully really pisses me off, its hypocritical BS

[chequita guevara]

And our future along with it, Ludd.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Did I say that?

Yes, you did. You said jobs trump environmental concerns. If that's true, then you should have no concern about pollution, since jobs will be lost if pollution is curtailed.

[RGBVideo]

We can take from the enviroment, as long as we do so at permanently sustainable rates.

You don't really know much about jungles, do you?

The soil is actually very poor under all those insanely high trees, if you cut up the wood the whole area is ****ed for a very long time since there's nothing to stop the water pouring in every midday. So it's pretty much impossible to harvest wood from jungles at "permanently sustainable rates".

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by General Ludd


Nobody would ever starve because of environmental conservation, they would starve because no one gives a **** about them. There's food enough for everyone, we just feel it's more important to have food to throw away than to feed to unemployed south americans.


You're confusing the problem. The issue is not about what these people are supposed to do if they can't rape their land anymore, but why they have to rape it, and ultimately destroy their future, in the first place.

It is easier to force a society which opresses the poor to change, or change enviromental policies?

Actually they are both looking pretty impossible when I ask that question lol.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes, you did. You said jobs trump environmental concerns. If that's true, then you should have no concern about pollution, since jobs will be lost if pollution is curtailed.

No, I didn't say that.

Originally posted by VJ

You don't really know much about jungles, do you?

The soil is actually very poor under all those insanely high trees, if you cut up the wood the whole area is ****ed for a very long time since there's nothing to stop the water pouring in every midday. So it's pretty much impossible to harvest wood from jungles at "permanently sustainable rates".

I know that. I meant taking from the earth on a whole, at permanently sustainable rates.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Vesayen
No, I didn't say that.

We need the enviroment, but we also need people to be able to support themselves.

How would you feel if you were one of those lumberjacks?

"Out here in the fields" is not about the enviroment, its about the plight of south american workers.

Yes, you said it three times so far. In all of these cases, you assert that the need for a job outweighs the need to protect the environment. You may not say so directly, but it is the implied thrust of your words.

[RGBVideo]

I know that. I meant taking from the earth on a whole, at permanently sustainable rates.

So why are you supporting the lumberjacks who are "harvesting" (read: destroying) the jungles of Brazil?

Btw, I agree with you about the film -- judging from it's video cover, it seems to be filled with BS hippie propaganda.

[chequita guevara]

It is a kids movie. I doubt complex economic and environmental arguments would go over well.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by VJ

So why are you supporting the lumberjacks who are "harvesting" (read: destroying) the jungles of Brazil?

Btw, I agree with you about the film -- judging from it's video cover, it seems to be filled with BS hippie propaganda.

I'm not, but Fern Gully treats them as non-entities, while making them seem in fact, evil.

[chequita guevara]

Do you think it's okay for Africans to kill off endagered animals for bush meat? Keep in mind that the people doing the killing are selling the meat, and that it is likely that bush meat is how SIV entered the human species and became HIV. Clear cutting the rain forest is the same stupid short-sighted thing, and a small minority are going to have to suffer by not doing something harmful to the rest of us.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Vesayen
How would you feel if you were one of those lumberjacks ?

We can take from the enviroment, as long as we do so at permanently sustainable rates.

I would be upset if I were one of those lumberjacks, but there is no way around this.

Once all the trees have been cut all the lumberjacks will still be out of jobs anyway. But this time we will have one less forest.

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The big question is, are those 10 shields worth it?

[chequita guevara]

You don't get ten shields for cutting down jungle.

[MrFun]

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There are nuts out there who sincerely believe that Jesus spoke ENGLISH!?

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You don't get ten shields for cutting down jungle.

oh yeah. but disease is reduced, right?

[chequita guevara]

Well there were.