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Are we going to do it for real this time? 
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And for the first time..
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Spend the money on a Space Elevator, it is becoming technically feasable. It is just outside our capability and we now could theoretically do it. Cutting the cost of Orbital Improvement by half.
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Doesn't anybody realise Bush is trying to claim the moon as US territory ?
I wonder what mr China will say when he finds out.veni vidi PWNED!Comment
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I'll be dancing in the streets when US/China/Russia withdraws from the Outer Space Treaty and claims territory on the Moon."Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.Comment
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104 Billion?
You could get to MARS for under half that (according to one proposal called Mars Direct).
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Still cheaper than going to Iran or North Korea though.Visit First Cultural Industries
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No, it will be just like the first time -- an illusion consisting of smoke and mirrors.Originally posted by Solomwi
Are we going to do it for real this time?
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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'Mars Direct'? Even the name sounds like a dodgy travel company!Originally posted by Odin
104 Billion? You could get to MARS for under half that (according to one proposal called Mars Direct).
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Originally posted by Vanguard
The reason we stopped going to the moon was the fact that there is no reason to go there.
There´s a good reason (for scientists).
You could build a telescope there,
larger than the space telescopes currently used,
but as well as Hubbles, not influenced by any kind of atmosphere
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Long term we need to launch from either there or orbit. The cost in money/weight/fuel to get off the Earth is astronomical (pun indended)Comment
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Actually, the cost for fuel and other incidentals to get off Earth (e.g., helium) isn't much. About $10 - $20 per pound for a kerosene/liquid oxygen rocket. The cost for fuel for the ground to Mars would probably be about $40 per pound of payload. All in all, something of a rounding error among the other costs involved.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You've still got to (pay to) build a rocket big enough to carry all the fuel/payload/itself into orbit.
Even if the cost of the fuel isn't much per se, it creates a lot of cost by its enforced use.Comment
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But the cost in Fuel is immense,Originally posted by DanS
Actually, the cost for fuel and other incidentals to get off Earth (e.g., helium) isn't much. About $10 - $20 per pound for a kerosene/liquid oxygen rocket. The cost for fuel for the ground to Mars would probably be about $40 per pound of payload. All in all, something of a rounding error among the other costs involved.
which is why long range manned missions (to mars for example) should better started from Orbit or Luna than from ground, after all the tonnage of the fuel the Spaceship needs to escape earths gravity well could better be used for further mission payload
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Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"Comment
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A great troll from I think usenet "apollo 18 to launch in 2018".
we still have those things just taking up space in Huntsville.Comment
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Actually, it's a misconception that going to Mars from the moon would save fuel. Going from the Earth to the moon requires more energy than going from the Earth to Mars.But the cost in Fuel is immense,
which is why long range manned missions (to mars for example) should better started from Orbit or Luna than from ground, after all the tonnage of the fuel the Spaceship needs to escape earths gravity well could better be used for further mission payload
In any event, the cost in fuel isn't immense.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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