Boxer in critical condition fighting for life

[Grandpa Troll]

Critical but alive

As a former competitior in ring and on streets I feel for both sides

I cant help but think of Duk Koo Kim and Ray "Boom-Boom" Mancini read about it here

Then we thank God and the commissions that govern amateurs and require head gear

Gramps

[Verto]

I have so much sympathy for him. Honest.

[reds4ever]

Why the Mancini connection?

And no head gear? Does that stop a boxer getting hit in the head? It just spreads the force of the blow. Headguards stop cuts, nothing else.

[Pekka]

Right, headguards don't really do much to stop the damage to the brains and stuff. Personally, I don't prefer those boxes in peoples heads. It's boxing. Not box beating.

[Ted Striker]

Also heavier (more padded) gloves also do more damage over the long run, since there is more force being exerted onto the brain at impact time.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Also heavier (more padded) gloves also do more damage over the long run, since there is more force being exerted onto the brain at impact time.

but with gloves the total energy impact is lessened at a point

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by reds4ever
Why the Mancini connection?

for a boxer facing life & death afterr competiting

like i said i was "thinking" of that incident

And no head gear? Does that stop a boxer getting hit in the head? It just spreads the force of the blow. Headguards stop cuts, nothing else.

the headbear will stop the direct impact to some degree

I know I have worn them and not worn them in a fight

yes I agree you still get your bell rung and you still get knocked out

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Pekka
Right, headguards don't really do much to stop the damage to the brains and stuff. Personally, I don't prefer those boxes in peoples heads. It's boxing. Not box beating.

nor is it a deathmatch which most unfortunately happens sometimes

I am not saying if your a fighter in aring you try to ikill the opponent but you surely have to take them out for they will try the same to you

I understand

My point was protection helps it doesnt prevent the injury totally

anyhoo


sad for the people involved

Gramps

[Pekka]

Yes these things indeed are sad and not what one wants to see.

However, I disagree with the headgear. And I think they should go to smaller gloves, even in boxing. But this is only my opinion.

Then again, I would prefer bareknuckle no holds barred fights, with no eye gouging, small joint manipulation or fish hooking. Everything else would be fair game, also groin strikes. With protective cup naturally and mouth guard.

But then again, that's a different thing already.

[DanS]

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Pekka
Yes these things indeed are sad and not what one wants to see.

However, I disagree with the headgear. And I think they should go to smaller gloves, even in boxing. But this is only my opinion.

Then again, I would prefer bareknuckle no holds barred fights, with no eye gouging, small joint manipulation or fish hooking. Everything else would be fair game, also groin strikes. With protective cup naturally and mouth guard.

But then again, that's a different thing already.

and I was also saying thanks to commissions for amateurs

what happened here is not amateur
and an amateur coming up through the ranks needs training

boxing is not unsafe not any unsafer than any other sports

just when these things happen you just want to step back and wonder if anything could have prevented this?

I mean maybe the bulk of the damage happened during training conditioning or what have youand this was merely the end result not the single determining factor

Ok

Thats what I meant

as a fellow red meat eater

I enjoy a good fight

just I now have a heart and dont want someone to lose their life because of excessive red meat and pepper in my diet

[OzzyKP]

I was thinking Barbara.

[Pekka]

of course you don't want to see anyone lose their lives. What do you take me for.

It's controversial thing. OTOH I want to see good fights with good rules, and not some sissie slap contest. Real fighters fighting real fights. THat's it. Nothing else is needed. Unforutnaltey it is dangerous, and even though serious injuries and deaths are still rare, they do happen because it is dangerous but I wouldn't have it any other way. Everyone volunteered for it.

I wouldn't go for reasons that could have prevented it. They pound each others faces for a living. It's kind of predictable. However, it doesn't mean I wouldn't have any sympathy for these sad cases. It's always sad, and in a way stupid, since it's for sport and entertainment so what good was that to die for. But.. that's the life of a fighter and .. I guess all I can say it happens every now and then. And that it is sad and very unfortunate.

But it will happen in the future as well. The onyl thing we should do is to make sure matchmaking is good, so both fighters are at the same level, and that the referees, medical personel etc are also professionals. That's it. Or I can go watch ballet instead.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
I was thinking Barbara.

yeah thats also very sad

[reds4ever]

Grandpa,

I just thought why the Mancini fight in particular? There have been plenty of other ring fatalities both before and after that one.

I'd beg to differ on the headguard issue, I did a bit of amatuer boxing just as the headguards were becoming compulsory for amatuers in the UK and I never liked wearing them, IMHO they give a false sense of security and, outside of cuts, no real protection.

As Pekka and Ted have said, large gloves and headguards just spread the force of the blow and traumatize a larger area. People forget that gloves were introduced into boxing to protect the knuckles not the brain.