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  • #121
    Spend less - for example by eliminating corporate welfare, farm subsidies, lumber subsidies (the companies can build their own roads), eliminating all new federal flood insurance, eliminating food stamps while turning them into a WIC style program, increasing the number of free clinics in underpriveledged areas (much cheaper than the ER room costs and Medicaid costs), increasing the number of proven anti-crime programs with juveniles - saving on the cost of incarceration and the overall cost to society, etc. Do that, while changing our military to primarily a defensive force, would cut the overall budget by a huge amount.
    The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
    And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
    Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
    Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

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    • #122
      shawn wins
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #123
        I don't want to "win" - I want bring DanS over to the light, over to the good side of the force.

        edited to get smiley right
        Last edited by Mr. Harley; September 27, 2005, 02:57.
        The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
        And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
        Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
        Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

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        • #124
          Originally posted by DanS
          I know how government works in Louisiana. This is the state that brought us such gems as Huey Long.
          So what? It also brought you a plethora of jazz bands. Too bad I hate jazz.

          It also got you, um, an enormous amount of public nudity during major holidays! I'm thinking specifically of New Orleans, not all of Louisiana.
          I no longer use this account.

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          • #125
            Originally posted by DanS
            Ugghhh... I'm ashamed of my party.

            Vote the bastards out!
            "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
            "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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            • #126
              Originally posted by shawnmmcc
              Spend less - for example by eliminating corporate welfare, farm subsidies, lumber subsidies (the companies can build their own roads), eliminating all new federal flood insurance, eliminating food stamps while turning them into a WIC style program, increasing the number of free clinics in underpriveledged areas (much cheaper than the ER room costs and Medicaid costs), increasing the number of proven anti-crime programs with juveniles - saving on the cost of incarceration and the overall cost to society, etc. Do that, while changing our military to primarily a defensive force, would cut the overall budget by a huge amount.
              Meh, I only agree with about half of that. And the other stuff isn't a federal question in any event. I'm all into locking the criminals up no matter the cost (our prisons aren't full enough), but that's not a federal question.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #127
                Which half? And a quick question, reference locking up even more criminals. We have the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized country in the world. Would you be for programs that attack the root causes, in a verifiable way, thus reducing the number of prisoners, and expense, to the taxpayers. If not, what kind of programs, if any, are you willing to support. Note you are talking to the guy who supports 20 year no parole minimum sentence for those who commit crimes with a firearm, and de facto life imprisonment for those who commit large scale fraud - one of the few cases where their is a genuine deterrent effect because you are dealing with more intelligent criminals. I was going to ask before we do a thread jack, do we want to start a new thread? Of course this one is whimpering to a halt, so the harm of a thread jack is minor.

                edited to add in I'm going to bed so I can answer any posts tonight or in the morning
                Last edited by Mr. Harley; September 27, 2005, 11:29.
                The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
                And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
                Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
                Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

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                • #128
                  We have the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized country in the world.
                  Yes, it's unfortunate that this is required. I don't think it's so easy to know the causes, however, so spending money on increased incarceration is required in the meantime.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #129
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    Yes, it's unfortunate that this is required. I don't think it's so easy to know the causes, however, so spending money on increased incarceration is required in the meantime.
                    It's not like modern sociology has been studying the phenomenon for decades, and it's not like there have been plenty of testing programmes that have actually been proven to work
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • #130
                      Which half?
                      The defensive military part doesn't make any sense to me. The food stamps > WIC I don't have an opinion on. I don't mind federal flood insurance, so long as the full cost is passed on to the insuree. Free clinics just concentrate poverty in an area; quite a bit different approach than I think necessary.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #131
                        Originally posted by shawnmmcc
                        And a quick question, reference locking up even more criminals. We have the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized country in the world.
                        There is no need to be modest: you not only beat the industrial countries
                        "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                        "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                        • #132
                          Originally posted by Spiffor
                          It's not like modern sociology has been studying the phenomenon for decades, and it's not like there have been plenty of testing programmes that have actually been proven to work
                          What has been proven to work in the US is increased incarceration and more cops on the beat. This costs lots of money. But I am happy to pay, knowing that this will increase property values in the end. To this I would add a more healthy income mix in a community and tearing down all the projects. This doesn't cost lots of money, but it's something of a beggar thy neighbor approach. It has also been posited that the increased abortion rate has an unintended consequence of lower crime.

                          It doesn't take sociologists to tell us that these things work. And all of these things can be done on the local level by voter choice.
                          Last edited by DanS; September 27, 2005, 12:56.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #133
                            What has been proven to work in the US is increased incarceration and more cops on the beat. This costs lots of money. But I am happy to pay, knowing that this will increase property values in the end. To this I would add a more healthy income mix in a community and tearing down all the projects. This doesn't cost lots of money, but it's something of a beggar thy neighbor approach. It has also been posited that the increased abortion rate has an unintended consequence of lower crime.

                            It doesn't take sociologists to tell us that these things work.


                            ioh sorry, I was under the impression that you didn't know the causes for crime, and efficient preventive solutions:
                            I don't think it's so easy to know the causes
                            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                            • #134
                              I was under the impression that you didn't know the causes for crime, and efficient preventive solutions
                              These are all treatments for the symptoms rather than the causes. Very blunt instruments.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • #135
                                Originally posted by shawnmmcc
                                eliminating farm subsidies
                                I need a foot massage

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