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    Nice little article. Can anyone really defend the system we have currently?

    Singapore and Katrina

    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
    Published: September 14, 2005
    Singapore

    There is something troublingly self-indulgent and slothful about America today - something that Katrina highlighted and that people who live in countries where the laws of gravity still apply really noticed. It has rattled them - like watching a parent melt down.

    That is certainly the sense I got after observing the Katrina debacle from half a world away here in Singapore - a city-state that, if it believes in anything, believes in good governance. It may roll up the sidewalks pretty early here, and it may even fine you if you spit out your gum, but if you had to choose anywhere in Asia you would want to be caught in a typhoon, it would be Singapore. Trust me, the head of Civil Defense here is not simply someone's college roommate.

    Indeed, Singapore believes so strongly that you have to get the best-qualified and least-corruptible people you can into senior positions in the government, judiciary and civil service that its pays its prime minister a salary of $1.1 million a year. It pays its cabinet ministers and Supreme Court justices just under $1 million a year, and pays judges and senior civil servants handsomely down the line.

    From Singapore's early years, good governance mattered because the ruling party was in a struggle for the people's hearts and minds with the Communists, who were perceived to be both noncorrupt and caring - so the state had to be the same and more.

    Even after the Communists faded, Singapore maintained a tradition of good governance because as a country of only four million people with no natural resources, it had to live by its wits. It needed to run its economy and schools in a way that would extract the maximum from each citizen, which is how four million people built reserves of $100 billion.

    "In the areas that are critical to our survival, like Defense, Finance and the Ministry of Home Affairs, we look for the best talent," said Kishore Mahbubani, dean of the Lee Kwan Yew School of Public Policy. "You lose New Orleans, and you have 100 other cities just like it. But we're a city-state. We lose Singapore and there is nothing else. ... [So] the standards of discipline are very high. There is a very high degree of accountability in Singapore."

    When a subway tunnel under construction collapsed here in April 2004 and four workers were killed, a government inquiry concluded that top executives of the contracting company should be either fined or jailed.

    The discipline that the cold war imposed on America, by contrast, seems to have faded. Last year, we cut the National Science Foundation budget, while indulging absurd creationist theories in our schools and passing pork-laden energy and transportation bills in the middle of an energy crisis.

    We let the families of the victims of 9/11 redesign our intelligence organizations, and our president and Congress held a midnight session about the health care of one woman, Terri Schiavo, while ignoring the health crisis of 40 million uninsured. Our economy seems to be fueled lately by either suing each other or selling each other houses. Our government launched a war in Iraq without any real plan for the morning after, and it cut taxes in the middle of that war, ensuring that future generations would get the bill.

    Speaking of Katrina, Sumiko Tan, a columnist for the Sunday edition of The Straits Times in Singapore, wrote: "We were shocked at what we saw. Death and destruction from natural disaster is par for the course. But the pictures of dead people left uncollected on the streets, armed looters ransacking shops, survivors desperate to be rescued, racial divisions - these were truly out of sync with what we'd imagined the land of the free to be, even if we had encountered homelessness and violence on visits there. ... If America becomes so unglued when bad things happen in its own backyard, how can it fulfill its role as leader of the world?"

    Janadas Devan, a Straits Times columnist, tried to explain to his Asian readers how the U.S. is changing. "Today's conservatives," he wrote, "differ in one crucial aspect from yesterday's conservatives: the latter believed in small government, but believed, too, that a country ought to pay for all the government that it needed.

    "The former believe in no government, and therefore conclude that there is no need for a country to pay for even the government that it does have. ... [But] it is not only government that doesn't show up when government is starved of resources and leached of all its meaning. Community doesn't show up either, sacrifice doesn't show up, pulling together doesn't show up, 'we're all in this together' doesn't show up."

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    Summary?
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    • #3
      "Indeed, Singapore believes so strongly that you have to get the best-qualified and least-corruptible people you can into senior positions in the government, judiciary and civil service."



      Singapore is a one party-dictatorship with rampant nepotism, and the judiciary is the lap dog for the party.

      The prime minister just happens to be the old dictator's son.

      Other members of the old dictator's family have been appointed to high level positions throughout the government.

      The only thing going for the party dictatorship is that they realize they can become richer by making the city richer.
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      • #4
        Remember that preemptive nuke bill that just passed? Let's put it to use
        "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

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        • #5
          The 1st part looks like someone was holding a gun to the guy's head while he was typing. The last paragraph is spot-on, tho.
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          • #6
            If Thomas Friedman had been born 75 years earlier, he would have treated his American readers to glowing reports from Mussolini's Italy.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
              If Thomas Friedman had been born 75 years earlier, he would have treated his American readers to glowing reports from Mussolini's Italy.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
                If Thomas Friedman had been born 75 years earlier, he would have treated his American readers to glowing reports from Mussolini's Italy.
                Agreed.

                Aside from Friedman's bizare praise of Singapore's quasi-facist government and it's corrupt bureaucracy and judiciary, its worth noting that Singapore's much touted civil defence program forms part of the government's policy of controling the public through hyping up external threats. As well as the civil defence force, Singapore also has a huge military modeled on the Israeli Defence Force (which includes universal conscription) and the government periodically provokes Malaysia to produce a nationalist reaction at home.

                Incidently, I don't think that Singapore's civil defence force is actually all that effective - the country seems to suffer from more than it's fair share of urban disasters. The military isn't much use either - it seems to only be able to deploy tiny forces overseas.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tingkai
                  Singapore is a one party-dictatorship with rampant nepotism, and the judiciary is the lap dog for the party.

                  The prime minister just happens to be the old dictator's son.

                  Other members of the old dictator's family have been appointed to high level positions throughout the government.
                  While all those are true, Lee Kuan Yew is still a brilliant politician. For example, there are multiple parties yet the PAP still dominates every single election. I can't recall they were ever accused of rigging an election, either.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                    While all those are true, Lee Kuan Yew is still a brilliant politician. For example, there are multiple parties yet the PAP still dominates every single election. I can't recall they were ever accused of rigging an election, either.
                    They rig every election - several leaders of the opposition have been jailed or bankrupted for 'defamation' after criticising the government. As running for election in any party other than the PAP is basically asking to be jailed or ruined the PAP doesn't encounter much opposition. Malaysia operates under pretty much the same arangements.

                    Friedman has a new column today. Aparently Singapore's education system leaves the US's for dead. The article reads like the progaganda document it's almost certainly sourced from. Yawn.
                    Last edited by Case; September 16, 2005, 03:11.
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                    • #11
                      While it's true that the singaporean system is highly undemocratic, and I wouldn't want to live there, Lee Kuan Yew did a magnificent job in building his country, over all, if you look at where he started, and what are the results.

                      However, what troubles me is that in such a system, a democratization is rather painful, and I don't see it happening without many people shafted.
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Case
                        They rig every election - several leaders of the opposition have been jailed or bankrupted for 'defamation' after criticising the government.
                        How is the rigging an election? Critics usually allege the courts being the government's lapdog, though you should note that the government didn't win every case.

                        Originally posted by Case
                        As running for election in any party other than the PAP is basically asking to be jailed or ruined the PAP doesn't encounter much opposition.
                        I can't recall anybody getting jailed for simply running.

                        Originally posted by Case
                        Friedman has a new column today. Aparently Singapore's education system leaves the US's for dead.
                        That's true to a very large extent - at least up to high school (secondary school) level.
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                          How is the rigging an election? Critics usually allege the courts being the government's lapdog, though you should note that the government didn't win every case.
                          You once claimed that a Taiwanese election was rigged based upon the accusations of the opposing party.

                          I can't recall anybody getting jailed for simply running.
                          Is this the same recollection that couldn't recall that a Shanghai university had a speciallized history department? Or is it the one that posted a quickly googled webpage exonerating the Dali Llama as evidence of his guilt?

                          On several occasions, I've noticed that you tend to believe that whatever you say or think is true despite lack of or contrary evidence. I see that line of thinking here a lot in China. This basing fact on what you can and can't recall is disturbingly, well, childlike in thought.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tingkai
                            "Indeed, Singapore believes so strongly that you have to get the best-qualified and least-corruptible people you can into senior positions in the government, judiciary and civil service."



                            Singapore is a one party-dictatorship with rampant nepotism, and the judiciary is the lap dog for the party.

                            The prime minister just happens to be the old dictator's son.

                            Other members of the old dictator's family have been appointed to high level positions throughout the government.

                            The only thing going for the party dictatorship is that they realize they can become richer by making the city richer.
                            Dude, when you see why LKY did what he did, then you don't see him as a dictator. He is one of the worlds greatest leaders.
                            When I first heard that his son was now in power, I was suspicuious, but now that I know him better, I understand why he is where he is.

                            See, now I realise, that Singapore wants the same mind-set as LKY, his son has that quality, Singaporeans are afraid of change, and why change anyway? Singapore is successful, it is progressing just fine.

                            The voting is not rigged; people just don't vote for what they don't know, they know LKY's son, they know LKY, so they vote for that, its just simple.

                            Also, between Singapores "dictatorship" and America's Democracy, I choose Singapore.

                            Freedom and stupidity should not collide. America let that one go.

                            Oh and I said it once, I'll say it again, America will fall under its own weight. It's the natural way of the world.
                            be free

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                            • #15
                              To choose between the US and Singapore
                              urgh.NSFW

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