11 kids found locked in cages in Ohio house

[Solomwi]

They need to be forcibly moved to Cleveland. It's only 50 miles, so it'll be cheap on the state, and it's much worse than anything I've seen suggested so far.

[Sava]

Originally posted by mrmitchell



"Thou shalt not kill"

believing in what some book tells you to believe in

[Bill3000]

I believe that "eye for an eye" originally meant that the punishment should at the most, be as severe as the crime, rather than actually inflicting a similar punishment that is as severe as the crime.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

For what it's worth, CNN is now saying only 8 kids were found in cages, though they confirm the Gravelles had custody of 11; no word yet on the other 3. They're also reporting the cages were approximately 3'x3' (1 meter square, for those of you using sensible systems of measurement).

[OzzyKP]

You'd think wtih twisted **** like this keeps happening after a while people would actually listen to me that youth need more civil rights. But noooo.

[Jack_www]

For some crimes death is the only aceptable punishment. This may be one of those time.

mrmitchell, the Bible supports the death penatly not oppose it. "an eye for an eye"

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
You'd think wtih twisted **** like this keeps happening after a while people would actually listen to me that youth need more civil rights. But noooo.

This has nothing to do with your crusade, Ozzy. Youth civil rights wouldn't have changed a thing about this situation.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Bill3000
I believe that "eye for an eye" originally meant that the punishment should at the most, be as severe as the crime, rather than actually inflicting a similar punishment that is as severe as the crime.

I don't really care about an "eye for an eye" or any of that other crap. I also don't really care about ancient moral codes or ancient forms of justice. You know what? Slavery was an accepted legal practice back in those days. During the time of the bible, women were treated like property. So as far as I'm concerned, religious texts, the bible, old moral codes, all that crap, is irrelevant and we should not concern ourselves with it. This is the 21st century and we should think for ourselves what to do with these sick individuals.

I think evil people should be put to death.

11 children are found locked up in cages.

This is an obvious case where children were tortured. There is no question of guilt or innocence.

There is no reason psychopaths should be kept alive.

In fact, I find it a bit interesting that some people are arguing that keeping the perpetrator alive in prison is a worse punishment. That sounds a bit sadistic to me.

I don't want this evil person to suffer or anything. Make it quick and painless for all I care. Just get rid of them.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

This just gets better and better. The NY Times is reporting that the kids (and they are saying 11) "had various disabilities, including autism."

Jesus H. Christ.

[:) Smiley]

Sharon and Mike Gravelle are adoptive or foster parents for all 11 children, officials said.

Somethings fishy at the state agency if they let a single family adopt that many kids.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly This has nothing to do with your crusade, Ozzy. Youth civil rights wouldn't have changed a thing about this situation.

It has everything to do with my crusade. The current problem is that youth have NO power in society. At every point their are beholden to adults around them. Adults who think they know what is best for them. They have no ability to defend themselves. Individuals are far more capable at defending themselves than outsiders who don't know the situation.

This was a foster home, so it stands to reason that all these kids were in a bad situation to begin with with their birth parents. So the benevolent state stepped in to "protect" them from their birth parents and, against their will, put them in with these foster parents who locked them in cages. Abuse in foster homes is more prevelant than in regular homes. This is not an isolated incident.

The problem is that the kids have no control in the situation. Abuse is a symptom of control. Parents, foster or otherwise, have complete control over their children, and feel they can do anything to "protect" them and properly raise them. There was an identical case to this a year or two ago, and the parents again didn't think they were doing anything wrong, they thought they were "protecting" their kids by locking them in cages.

The state has failed. Parents have failed. Kids need the ability to protect themselves.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Jack_www
For some crimes death is the only aceptable punishment. This may be one of those time.

mrmitchell, the Bible supports the death penatly not oppose it. "an eye for an eye"

Impossible. Moses received the 10 commandments and one of them clearly says: You shall not kill. How can the same book then say that killing is okay?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Impossible. Moses received the 10 commandments and one of them clearly says: You shall not kill. How can the same book then say that killing is okay?

Cuz the commandment says "You shall not murder" not really the samething.

[lord of the mark]

lo tirtzach vs lo taharog, IIUC.

Of course the commandments were given to a Hebrew speaking people - why should we expect the Gentiles, or even Jews who have been culturally assimilataed, to understand them?

[dannubis]

find those responsible and do the world a favour...

and about the whole bible thing, a guy named jesus said that it is wrong to kill, whatever the circumstances...

so DD, are you christian by heart or by lips ?