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    U.S. watches as Hu heads to Canada

    Thursday, September 8, 2005; Posted: 11:30 a.m. EDT (15:30 GMT)

    TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Chinese President Hu Jintao visits Canada this week, at a time when Beijing is boosting investments in Canadian oil and natural resources, and Washington and Ottawa continue to snipe over lumber tariffs.

    Hu's trip to Canada is his first state visit there, celebrating 35 years of diplomatic ties and rapidly expanding trade and energy agreements with Canada.

    China is Canada's second-largest trading partner, after the United States, and Ottawa and Beijing conducted some $30 billion worth of trade last year. With the world's fastest growing economy and rapid urbanization, the Chinese are hungry for more oil and natural resources -- and Canada has those, in abundance.

    Washington will closely eye the official visit, which includes meetings with Prime Minister Paul Martin and federal, provincial and business leaders in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver.

    Hu was supposed to meet President Bush at the White House next week, but postponed the visit after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast.

    The United States relies on Canada for some 17 percent of its oil and energy and is well aware that China is boosting investments in Canadian oil and natural resources.

    At the same time, Washington and Ottawa, the world's largest trading partners, continue to snipe over lumber tariffs and question each other's long-term defense policies.

    "What I worry about is that the United States is making it easy for China; that in one way or another the United States is screwing up in its relationship with Canada," said Richard C. Bush, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

    "And that makes it very easy for Hu Jintao to walk in and say, 'Hi, I'm from China and we want to be your friend. And by the way, I want to buy your oil and your minerals and let's not worry about your neighbor next door. We've both got problems with them, so let's talk.'''

    Vice President Dick Cheney's national energy policy report in 2001 noted the importance of Canada's oil sands to U.S. energy security.

    But while Americans blocked a bid by China to buy Unocal Corp., claiming it could threaten U.S. national security, Canadians support potential oil deals with China.

    The state-controlled China National Petroleum Corp. announced last month it would pay $4.2 billion for Canada-based PetroKazakhstan Inc. In April, CNOOC bought nearly 17 percent of Calgary-based MEG Energy Corp.

    Hu heads to Mexico on Sunday. He intends to meet with President Bush on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York next week before returning to Vancouver on September 16 for two days of meetings.

    Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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    One good reason to care less and less whether America sits down and take notices or not.
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    • #3
      I can just see the conversation Bush must have had with his people. A perfect Abbott and Costello routine.

      WH Staffer: MR. President! Hu's going to Canada!

      Bush: I don't know. Who?
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4
        i guess strong-arm undiplomatic diplomacy has its downfalls after all?
        'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.

        Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sava
          I can just see the conversation Bush must have had with his people. A perfect Abbott and Costello routine.

          WH Staffer: MR. President! Hu's going to Canada!

          Bush: I don't know. Who?
          Probably more like:

          WH Staffer: MR. President! Hu's going to Canada!

          Bush: Who gives a ****?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by child of Thor
            i guess strong-arm undiplomatic diplomacy has its downfalls after all?
            If it does, I'm not seeing it. Why, look at the remarkable strides we've made with North Korea!
            B♭3

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            • #7
              ...and Canadians don't say boo about their resources being nationalised by a foreign government....
              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wezil
                ...and Canadians don't say boo about their resources being nationalised by a foreign government....
                Are you talking about PetroKazakhstan
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                • #9
                  Did you read the article? First paragraph would do.

                  The Chinese gov has expressed interest in many Canadian resource companies and just purchased a major mining co in the past couple years.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    How are our resources being "nationalised"?

                    They're being bought at a fair market price.

                    More than fair, from what I can tell...
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                      How are our resources being "nationalised"?
                      B/c they are being bought by a government - not a private company.

                      They're being bought at a fair market price.
                      Will the Chinese gov operate under capitalist market conditions in regards to these resources in the future?

                      More than fair, from what I can tell...
                      An opinion. I've attached an article from the favorite rag of Canadian lefties....

                      Wednesday, October 06 2004 @ 03:43 PM MDT

                      Noranda and Chinese government ownership of Canada
                      Contributed by: Anonymous

                      Toronto Star Editorial (Oct 5): China's disquieting bid for Noranda
                      From the article:
                      As China opens to the world, its surging economy is beginning to include investment abroad. China now owns $33 billion (U.S.) worth of foreign properties, excluding Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macao. That grew by $3 billion last year. While that is a modest portfolio by global standards, China's state managers are looking to buy more.

                      And their eyes are now on Canada's own Noranda Inc.

                      China Minmetals Corp., a state-owned conglomerate, is negotiating to buy Noranda from Brascan Corp. and other shareholders for $7 billion. It would be Beijing's largest foreign takeover, dwarfing its entire direct investment in Canada of $400 million last year, and of our $540 million in China. The deal will give Beijing control of a venerable Canadian mining firm, 15,000 jobs worldwide and strategically vital deposits of zinc, nickel, copper and other minerals. Noranda also controls Falconbridge Ltd.

                      This is a purchase which Prime Minister Paul Martin's government must scrutinize closely. That's because while a Minmetals takeover might be good for Noranda and its shareholders from a strict business point of view, the deal has much broader political and policy implications.

                      Foreign acquisitions are one aspect of China's drive to become a global political, economic and military superpower. Yet China remains essentially a one-party state, dominated by a tiny Communist party elite. Unlike other multinational corporations, Minmetals does not answer to shareholders, in many countries. It answers directly to the government.

                      That must be a concern, and not just for business reasons.

                      The Beijing leadership uses whatever leverage it has to stifle criticism of China at the United Nations or elsewhere on topics ranging from Beijing's aversion to democracy to its rough handling of the Tiananmen Square protesters, to its suppression of Falun Gong, its occupation of Tibet, and relations with Hong Kong and Taiwan...

                      ...Given the sheer scope of the Minmetals/Noranda deal, its trendsetting nature and the questions it raises, Ottawa should study this proposed acquisition carefully. Canadians must be assured it will not compromise our sovereignty. And Parliament must hold the government to account.

                      See also:
                      Canada to check China rights record in Noranda bid

                      From the article:
                      "OTTAWA, Oct 6 (Reuters) - Canada will examine China's human rights record as state-owned China Minmetals Corp. gets set to buy Noranda Inc. (NRD.TO: Quote, Profile, Research) , a Canadian cabinet minister who has a big say in approving the deal said on Wednesday.

                      Canada's biggest mining firm by sales announced last month it was in exclusive talks with Minmetals to sell 100 percent of the copper, nickel and zinc miner to the Chinese conglomerate for about $5 billion.

                      Critics have urged a halt to the deal, citing China's human rights record."

                      And:
                      Noranda's Chinese suitor cited in forced labour case

                      From the article:
                      "OTTAWA - The state-owned Chinese firm involved in the $7-billion-plus negotiations to buy Noranda Inc., Canada's largest mining firm, was accused during U.S. congressional hearings and a civil court case during the 1990s of profiting from forced labour in China's prisons."
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wezil
                        Did you read the article? First paragraph would do.

                        The Chinese gov has expressed interest in many Canadian resource companies and just purchased a major mining co in the past couple years.
                        Second paragraph from last would do too. China just bought PetroKazakhstan, a Calgary based oil company - and the obvious trigger for the article - but not a company that owns resources in Canada IIUC. Unless there's a Kazakhstan region in Canada which i am unaware of.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wezil
                          Will the Chinese gov operate under capitalist market conditions in regards to these resources in the future?
                          Who cares?
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                            Who cares?
                            Are you serious?

                            Anyone that feels the Chinese system violates human rights for starters. A communist regime with ideals in contrast to us in the west gains control over our (western) oil, steel, zinc, etc.....(crucial military components) and is not obligated to allow free market access to the resources.

                            As the original post implies - I would suspect the US would care a great deal even if we can't see the difficulty ourselves.

                            Btw, isn't it strange we got out of the national oil and gas business ourselves with the sale of Petrocan but have no problem with a foreign government doing it.
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Is this an example of what che was talking about in his thread?
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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