Is America any different then Saudi Arabia?

[Pekka]

It's not illusion of power when you get to vote your leaders. It's not illusion of power, when you can form organisations, political parties, and take direct action. It's not illusion of power, when you can protest freely and make the media work for your agenda. It's not illusion of power when you can search funding, private OR public, to have your voice heard.

THE MOST important thing. IT'S NOT illusion if you have more choices and options. It's a factual matter. You either have more or you don't. Illusion has nothing to do with it.

Maybe you should kick the illusion of living in 20 dollar philosophy class and step into the real world.

It's like asking, would you say MJ is guilty. No definite proof, ok.. would you let your kid sleep in his bed, in the ranch? **** NO! -Chapelle.

The question should be what are the similarities to US and SA, and those would be the letter S and that both are countries, and all the little things that applies to every single country. Other than that.. they're not the same.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Az
I think you might be confused with 'hookers', Heresson. Hooters is an american fast food chain. sort of.

They say a hungry man has bread on his mind

[Pekka]

anyway nice to know you an expert on ME prostitution situation, including how the high players work their tricks across the borders, and all about that stuff.

I'm shocked. You prolly go to hell for this.

[Berzerker]

Where's that?

Where does morality come from? The distinction between right and wrong, if there is no distinction, there is no morality or immorality.

t appears that Berz still thinks that "morality" is both external and absolute. Neither is true.

Of course morality is absolute, raping women is immoral all the time, not some of the time as determined by the rapist or "society".

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Berzerker

Of course morality is absolute, raping women is immoral all the time, not some of the time as determined by the rapist or "society".

Of course?

IIRC, you're an atheist? The belief in absolute morality shares the same basic problems as theism; its untestable, and if true would appear to have no noticeable impact on the empirical world.

[Pekka]

whose moral is right. I hope it's not the Taliban moral.

[Dis]

Originally posted by BeBro


Yeah, you have them on tv

But seriously the diff is of course not in the individual control over the gov, but over their own lives.

the difference being I can change the channel (and even block out the annoying religious channels). But when I was in Bahrain, I was forced to listen to those prayers. Yeah I guess I could have wore earplugs, but even earplugs can't block out all noise. You are still going to hear it.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Berzerker


Of course morality is absolute, raping women is immoral all the time, not some of the time as determined by the rapist or "society".

It wasn´t immoral during the times of colonizations,
at least if the woman raped was black

AFAIK it also often wasn´t immoral in societies with slavery as long as the person raped was a slave.

Of course we in modern times now think it is immoral but that´s really only a product of education and society.
Maybe we who live today will also be considered immoral by some future generations because we raised animals just for the purpose of being eaten and put our own profit above the well being of nature

[Dis]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST


It wasn´t immoral during the times of colonizations,
at least if the woman raped was black

AFAIK it also often wasn´t immoral in societies with slavery as long as the person raped was a slave.

Of course we in modern times now think it is immoral but that´s really only a product of education and society.
Maybe we who live today will also be considered immoral by some future generations because we raised animals just for the purpose of being eaten and put our own profit above the well being of nature

what else are we supposed to eat? And don't tell me plants. . And aren't humans part of nature as well? Aren't we part (the top) of the food chain?

It's more immoral to raise animals as pets. In fact, there are a few nut job groups out there against people keeping pets.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Pekka
anyway nice to know you an expert on ME prostitution situation, including how the high players work their tricks across the borders, and all about that stuff.

I'm shocked. You prolly go to hell for this.

Hey, I'm going to ME in 1 month's time, I have to get prepared

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Dis


what else are we supposed to eat? And don't tell me plants. . And aren't humans part of nature as well? Aren't we part (the top) of the food chain?

It's more immoral to raise animals as pets. In fact, there are a few nut job groups out there against people keeping pets.

Maybe these future generations use food concentrates (or are really vegans [with food supplementals to give them those nutritients they don´t get out of plants]) and maybe they also don´t have pets for the reasons you stated
And maybe the pure thought of eating meat will cause them to instantly vomit

[GePap]

Most the the US is a lot wetter than KSA.

And we have less Oil.

[Geronimo]

Ming would it be more fair to compare voter control over government between local government in Chicago and SA?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST


It wasn´t immoral during the times of colonizations,
at least if the woman raped was black

AFAIK it also often wasn´t immoral in societies with slavery as long as the person raped was a slave.

Of course we in modern times now think it is immoral but that´s really only a product of education and society.
Maybe we who live today will also be considered immoral by some future generations because we raised animals just for the purpose of being eaten and put our own profit above the well being of nature

I doubt we will ever be able to determine if 'nature' gives a damn one way or another what we do to it. That was never the case for the raped women.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Heresson



Hey, I'm going to ME in 1 month's time, I have to get prepared

What's bringing you to the ME? business or pleasure?