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  • Is America any different then Saudi Arabia?

    What is the purpose of goverment, in your opinion?

    Is it to protect the "rights" of the individual, as defined by the society?

    Is it to improve the condition(subjective) of individuals?

    Is it to improve the condition(subjective) of society?

    I've been thinking about this alot latley. Like most of apolyton i've thought about these questions a great deal for many years.

    I don't know the answer to the first question. I am unfortunatley really seeing little difference between the despots of the middle east, and the U.S. goverment.

    The average member of both societies, effectivley has identical effect on the goverment(i.e. zero, or a very small number, aproaching zero). For all our freeomds in the U.S., in action we have no more control over our goverment then a woman in Saudi Arabia does.

    You *COULD* run for office or try to form a political movement but without massive financial or political backing, you are doomed to failure.

    The case in my point, is the anti war protests a few years ago. Millions showed up in some places for some of the larger marches.... fox isn't the only news network that simply *IGNORED* them entirley, not mentioning them.

    *ALL* major news outlets, have one goal: Make money. They don't care about their social or moral obligations.

    The only way to have an effect in the U.S. is to mobilize the masses and the only way to do that, is to use the media... which is owned, or influenced tremendously by the same who currently enforce the status quo.

    You know what has triggered my epiphamy? The ordeal with cindy sheehan(sp?). The shmere campaign she is undergoing is proof enough to me that mass mobilization of the people, for our own best self interest(like holding our politicians responsible), is impossible.

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    some of us have been to the middle east.

    It's easy to say, yes there is a difference. At least we don't have those annoying prayers over the loudspeakers. I hate those.

    simply put. america is a comfortable place to live. The other is not.

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    • #3
      Osama Bin Robertson's comments this week had me thinking on this very subject.

      In many ways, we're not so different.

      We have our radical elements. They are quiet for the moment.
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #4
        Hooters!
        In da butt.
        "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
        THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
        "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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        • #5
          America has more illusion of choice than Saudi Arabia.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pekka
            Hooters!
            Yeah, try having that in the Middle East .

            There are differences. Like to drink beer for one? Hell, even though the US banned alcohol, because of popular protest we brought it BACK! Imagine that... yes we do have power. It may not been seen that often, but it is there.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              pot!
              In da butt.
              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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              • #8
                He's got a point there.

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                • #9
                  What is the purpose of goverment, in your opinion?
                  To secure our rights.

                  Is it to protect the "rights" of the individual, as defined by the society?
                  Our rights dont come from "society", they come from morality. In any inter-action among people, someone will have a greater moral claim than anyone else when a dispute arises. This greater moral authority becomes a right.

                  Is it to improve the condition(subjective) of individuals?

                  Is it to improve the condition(subjective) of society?
                  Both improve when people have more freedom.

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                  • #10
                    Is America any different then Saudi Arabia?

                    Oh, hell ya. Islam sucks way more than Christianity

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dis
                      It's easy to say, yes there is a difference. At least we don't have those annoying prayers over the loudspeakers. I hate those.
                      Yeah, you have them on tv

                      But seriously the diff is of course not in the individual control over the gov, but over their own lives.
                      Blah

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                      • #12
                        Lets see...
                        Women can't drive in Saudi Arabia, nor cross boarders unless accompanied by father, borother or husband.
                        You can't practice any religion but Islam in SA. To have a visible cross on your nect or in your house, to have a Bible, to pray (at least with others), to have a place of cult, to enter part of the country around the holy places if You're not Muslim, to convert from islam is a crime with severe punishments (death for apostasy etc).
                        You can get killed for gay activity
                        the country is ruled by thousands-strong royal dinasty
                        etc

                        Yeah, no real differences.
                        "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                        I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                        Middle East!

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                        • #13
                          Heresson
                          Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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                          • #14
                            they come from morality


                            Where's that?
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              Hooters!
                              You don't have them in SA, but there's lots of them behind Jordan's boarder, Saudis come there to relieve themselves - so I have heard from people who have been there.
                              "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                              I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                              Middle East!

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