Cindy Sheehan Has No Moral Authority

[Berzerker]

I'm not quite sure what to think about Cindy Sheehan — I've read that she's already had a meeting with the president (whether individually or as part of a group I don't know), and that she's called him some pretty nasty things that can't be printed in a newspaper.

Part of a group, and after the meeting she didn't think very poorly of Bush. But then it became apparent later the war was based on bogus arguments, nay, deceitful arguments. Thats when she started down this track... O'Really accused her of lying because she had a change of opinion about Bush citing her comments after that meeting. According to that logic, everyone who has a change of opinion about the character of others is also a liar.

I certainly sympathize with her, but if she's already met Bush once and has called him nasty things despite that ... well, I can sort of see why he might not want to meet twice with her.

Alot of information about how we got into this war came out after that meeting. She wants him to answer for his deception...

[Berzerker]

A more appropriate comment would be that Cindy Sheehan has no dignity and no fundamental understanding of United States foreign and military policy.

She has more dignity in her pinky than her critics combined. But from what I've heard from her, we wouldn't even be in this mess if we had been following her understanding of the world. We're in this because we've spent decades mucking around in the Middle East and now the dragons have followed us home.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


And you do?

Well tell us champ.

I know that having a "bring the troops home" and "Bush is a terrorist" attitude as a reflex isn't necessarily well thought out policy disagreements.

In fact, she doesn't even have disagreements, just hate-filled rhetoric. She's said that the we invaded Iraq "for Israel," called George Bush the "world's biggest terrorist," and when asked about 9/11 she said bin Laden was an "alleged terrorist."

She's just a flake with a big mouth.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Berzerker

But from what I've heard from her, we wouldn't even be in this mess if we had been following her understanding of the world.

Cut off the ayatollah's penis and you've got a second Sheehan.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by rmsharpe

I know that having a "bring the troops home" and "Bush is a terrorist" attitude as a reflex isn't necessarily well thought out policy disagreements.

In fact, she doesn't even have disagreements, just hate-filled rhetoric. She's said that the we invaded Iraq "for Israel," called George Bush the "world's biggest terrorist," and when asked about 9/11 she said bin Laden was an "alleged terrorist."

She's just a flake with a big mouth.

Who just happens to have a son who died because of a lie.

Bush is the first President in history to throw out the Geneva Conventions. We routinely torture innocent people.

Think about that when you're considering this "well thought out policy."

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by rmsharpe

Cut off the ayatollah's penis and you've got a second Sheehan.

So basically you have your own set of hate filled rhetoric so what makes yours any more legitmate?

[Drake Tungsten]

Is this lady still blaming her son's death on the Jooos?

[Edan]

Re: Cindy Sheehan Has No Moral Authority

Originally posted by Berzerker
That according to Fred Barnes, a GOP sychophant disguised as a reporter and regular "contributor" to Brit Hume's show on Fox.

1) Her son died in Iraq

2) Her son died in Iraq because our leader took us to war based on falsehoods

3) Her son died in Iraq because our leader lied to us

4) Fred Barnes promoted that war

5) And she has no moral authority to demand answers?

Does she somehow have more "moral authority" than any other citizen to demand answers, ask questions, etc?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
A more appropriate comment would be that Cindy Sheehan has no dignity and no fundamental understanding of United States foreign and military policy.

Neither has the President

[Ted Striker]

own3d

[Berzerker]

Cut off the ayatollah's penis and you've got a second Sheehan.

Wrong, you'd have a Bush.

I know that having a "bring the troops home" and "Bush is a terrorist" attitude as a reflex isn't necessarily well thought out policy disagreements.

In fact, she doesn't even have disagreements, just hate-filled rhetoric. She's said that the we invaded Iraq "for Israel," called George Bush the "world's biggest terrorist," and when asked about 9/11 she said bin Laden was an "alleged terrorist."

She's just a flake with a big mouth.

She lost her son because of the lies of someone you are defending. So much for your definition of "dignity"...

Does she somehow have more "moral authority" than any other citizen to demand answers, ask questions, etc?

Yes, her son died in Iraq. And she has stood up to take the abuse from those who perpetrated or promoted the lies.

[Mr. Harley]

The difference between me and Cindy Sheehan - I never bought the bogus excuses to begin with, as in my thread on my own family's loss (and you guys were wonderful, too). I was pissed then, and - well, I still hope Bush rots in hell. Oh, and he never bothered to see my sister, they didn't clean up the body - it still had the heart monitoring tabs in place when she got it (and if that's standard policy at DOD - what morons at least don't try to pretty the body up a little for the first time the widow and parents see it ), and her letter of condolence from Rumsfeld was signed by an auto-pen. This administration has the dignity of - damn, I cannot think of anything low enough.

BTW - Berszerker, and I just posted on this in another thread, reference some of our historical disagreements on the Imperial Presidency, overreaching Federalism, etc. : You - told - me - so. You're right about where it leads.

[Ted Striker]

Shawn, forgot about that you lost a family member.

Condolences.

[Dis]

I support Cyndi, even though I think she's wrong. It would be a mistake to leave now.

But I like drama and excitement. I'm hoping this grows into a huge protest. I want to see some riots. I wasn't born when the cool Vietnam war riots happened. I missed all the fun . It seems like all the cool stuff happened before I was born. No one cares about anything anymore. The only time you see a cool riot is when a sports team wins a national championship. It's sad, people don't care enough about anything anymore to cause massive property damage.

[Mr. Harley]

Dis - I used to subscribe to that idea (stay the course). Now I am not so sure. If we stay in Iraq, we end up with - a semi-democratic theocracy that is friendly to Iran. If we leave Iraq soon, we end up with a vicious Civil War, and - a theocracy that is in bed with Iraq. I am not so sure the difference is worth it.