Firefly: what an awful show...

[Joe Kick Ass]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Lemme change this into a general complaint about Fox's treatment of shows.

Did Fox have Family Guy? What about Futurama?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Sava
it's fiction...

........which makes 24 perfect as a source for Bill O'Reilly. Reality is soooooo messy.

and you do realize that Kiefer Sutherland is like a socialist right?

Marlon Brando once said that he didn't have the moral fiber to refuse to take Hollywood's money. Evidently he and Sutherland have something to share.

[Ted Striker]

I thought some of the concepts on Firefly that Sava mentioned were indeed pretty dorky but for some reason I couldn't stop watching it.

[Boris Godunov]

That's because it's superficial criticism. The characters, plot and story are all very compelling, so I personally don't give a rat's ass about quibbles over the technology of the guns used. Whedon is all about interesting, character-driven stories, and that's what Firefly is.

[Minute Mirage]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
That's because it's superficial criticism. The characters, plot and story are all very compelling, so I personally don't give a rat's ass about quibbles over the technology of the guns used. Whedon is all about interesting, character-driven stories, and that's what Firefly is.

Agreed. Whedon

Originally posted by Geronimo
Sometimes sci fi or fantasy worlds can be built around concepts that make no sense whatsoever but somehow it still works out to something that really entertains me.

That's exactly the case with Buffy, IMO. Dorky concept, brilliant execution.

[Ted Striker]

Ted Striker

[Sava]

character-driven stories is the strong suit?

all the characters except for Adam Baldwin, suck...

there's the captain... a walking cliche... no sense of humor... loyal to a fault

the preacher... who I guess is some sort of uber-spy... YAWN

River... the idiot savant who, judging from the movie, is some kind of kung fu master...

the doctor... a wuss

second in command... not hot enough

a high priced hooker... most attractive female on the show, but an 8/10 at best

a 20 year old girl is the master engineer.... ya okay

who else?

oh yeah... the guy that looks like giovani ribisi... and he's not even in most episodes.

You pro-firefly dorks have no taste.

enjoy your crappy "sci-fi western"

Boris: And you dare criticize Stargate... the 2nd best show ever!

[GePap]

Stargate and all its spin off are far worse as sci fi that Firefly.

The writing on Firefly was very good, and the effects are nice. The concept is not one I would go with, but in general it works in that given universe, which is not THAT advanced anyways. I don;t much care for Whedon, Firefly is the only show of his I liked enough to watch much.

I have never understood why so many people like Stargate. The characters are not that compelling, the bad guys are wimps, and the show is far too episodic.

Never have gotten into the 4400 at all, but Battlestar Galactica does blow every other show on Sci Fi away.

And B5 still rules the roost story and character wise.

[Sava]

Stargate is like a test for good taste.

It isn't good in the sense that EVERYONE will think OMFG THIS IS AWESOME. It's genius in the sense that smart people will find it hilarious and intriguing.

I mean, COME ON...

you got MacGyver... plus the whole concept from the movie Stargate... add in the somewhat butch, yet moderately hot Amanda Tapping, the probably gay and uber-buff Christopher (indeed) Judge, and Michael Shanks playing a better Daniel Jackson than James Spader... and you got yourself a formula for AWESOME.

And with Richard Dean Anderson gone, the show hasn't missed a beat with the dude from Farscape. Plus, Lexa Doig is hot.

How can you even compare this to Babylon 5?

I like B5... but it's not even close to touching Stargate's greatness.

[GePap]

See, its called having different tastes. I simply don;t care much for Stargate, the characters, nor the overall plot.

Plus, I generally don't judge shows by the attractiveness of the actors. I don;t care how hot someone is, if their lines suck, I won't watch.

Personally I like the writing on firefly. I agree, Jane is a funny character, but I think all the characters save Book were done very well. As for River, of course someone who had thier brain openned up and experimented on would be odd. Seems to figure, actually.

[Al B. Sure!]

GePap and Boris:

all i got to say is 9 seasons...

[BeBMan]

Stargate is boring.

[Atahualpa]

I liked ST NG, but it has become old as well. I recently watched StarGate SG1 and this really sucks a lot. You can watch it and it's entertaining 50% of the time, but then there are the stupid characters with their real-life problems like fathers dying and this one ****s with that and what not... who wants to see that?
Probably they try to make them be more human when they show their personal problems, but that's just boring to watch and soooo badly done (extremely bad). And then there are the plot twists, that are just like: WTF?

I also followed Space 2063 a while ago. It had nice effects and battles, but as always it totally fails on the character side and that is where Star Trek, despite its age, still shines.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
GePap and Boris:

all i got to say is 9 seasons...

How many seasons has Charmed had now?

Syndication and popularity mean little.

Stargate is simply a low-talent rip-off of ST-TNG (which wasn't all that great itself, anyway). It has simplistic situations, inane attempts at humor, and some of the worst scripts imaginable. The dialogue I've heard coming out of that show is wince-worthy.

Anderson saved the show from being total crap by giving a good performance, but that's because he ignored the script and ad-libbed a great deal of the time. And when he did deliver the lines he had to, there was a sarcasm there (subtext: "I can't believe I'm saying this ****.")