Someone Tell the President the War is Over

[Dis]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
According to USA Today poll from 8/14, 6 in 10 Americans want the U.S. to withdraw all or most of our forces from Iraq ASAP. That seems to me like a groundswell.

but it's not the right thing to do.

It was the damn american public who supported the war in the first place.

The president should not listen to the american public, they are a bunch of dumbasses.

[KrazyHorse]

Yup. I don't think the US should withdraw from Iraq in the immediate future.

Nor do I think they have any right to do so.

They made their bed; now it's time for them to sleep in it.

The same goes for the Bushies.

It was their ****up, and they'll have to deal with the fallout.

[lord of the mark]

another poll, august 5 - 7th , i think AP

what about troops levels -
Send More 13%
Same as Now 28%
Withdraw Some 23%
Withdraw All 33%
Unsure 3 %


percent saying withdraw all is only a third. the number saying to withdraw all has increased. So has the number saying send more.

Some opinion drift, but no groundswell.

[Az]

the USA today poll is more recent, prolly has to do with that mom. ( gotta love idiotic public opinion - makes you lose faith in democracy )

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

1. depends on how you read ASAP. "as long as theyre needed, and not a day longer"

Um... most normal people read ASAP as "As soon as possible", not "As soon as they are needed, even if that be 5 years".

And no, as long as theyre not protesting en masse, or making it the most salient factor in their votes 2006, its not enough of a groundswell that Bush has to listen to it. Its his job to look at the long term, not to do something stupid cause of a blip in the polls.

The recent special election in Ohio is key. A heavy, heavy Republican district was almost taken by a Democrat former Marine who was in Iraq because of the Iraq issue (IIRC, it was the Marine's major issue).

The Dem candidate in that election OPPOSED withdrawl from Iraq.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dis
It was the damn american public who supported the war in the first place.

Barely, after months of lies spread by the US government.

Support only ventured into strongly majority territory once the war had actually started.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Az
the USA today poll is more recent, prolly has to do with that mom. ( gotta love idiotic public opinion - makes you lose faith in democracy )

Actually the mom hit her media peak a couple of days ago. Havent heard much from her the last two, days, since some folks dug up some moonbat comments she made a couple of months ago.

[Dis]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Actually the mom hit her media peak a couple of days ago. Havent heard much from her the last two, days, since some folks dug up some moonbat comments she made a couple of months ago.

check this out: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0816051texas1.html

[Az]

Damn, your people are a bunch of flipfloppers.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

1. depends on how you read ASAP. "as long as theyre needed, and not a day longer"

Um... most normal people read ASAP as "As soon as possible", not "As soon as they are needed, even if that be 5 years".

And no, as long as theyre not protesting en masse, or making it the most salient factor in their votes 2006, its not enough of a groundswell that Bush has to listen to it. Its his job to look at the long term, not to do something stupid cause of a blip in the polls.

The recent special election in Ohio is key. A heavy, heavy Republican district was almost taken by a Democrat former Marine who was in Iraq because of the Iraq issue (IIRC, it was the Marine's major issue).

from hacketts own website

"War in Iraq
If elected, I will be the only member of Congress to have served in Iraq. I fought in the Fallujah campaign, took part in reconstruction efforts, and worked side-by-side with Iraqi military and civil personnel. I know what’s really happening in Iraq.

The White House has been painting a rosy picture and people aren’t buying it anymore. We all know the outcome is uncertain and there is no exit date. But even now, too many conservatives just want to applaud whatever the administration does. And too many liberals who opposed the war want to see the president’s Iraq policy fail.

I was against the war. It was a misuse of our military that damaged our credibility throughout the world and squandered our political capital. Still, I volunteered to serve, and I have no regrets. But now we need to face the reality of the situation there. Our country has gone to war and every American must share in that responsibility.

The good news is we can successfully exit Iraq once the roughly 140,000 Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) are adequately trained and skilled enough to defend their fledgling government.

The bad news is they are nowhere near the level of skill to accomplish that mission and are likely years away from that goal.

I know this from fighting alongside Iraqis, and training them. They are simply not ready to defend their country against the insurgents that threaten to destroy Iraq’s future.

No matter what your position on the war, if we pull out now the entire region will spiral into chaos and present our nation and military with a far more difficult challenge than we currently face. I don’t relish the prospect of my two sons going over there in twenty years. We need to get it right, and we need to do it now.

The Iraqi people and government are grateful that we eliminated their brutal dictator. They are capable of running their own government and building a democracy. It won’t look like ours; nor should it. But in order for them to succeed, we must not withdraw our troops before the Iraqis are ready to stand on their own. "

[KrazyHorse]

That's what happens when you place so much more value in the lives of your own countrymen than in the lives of others.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
The Dem candidate in that election OPPOSED withdrawl from Iraq.

Yet the numbers from the election showed that MANY are disgusted with the way the war is going. Whatever Hackett wanted to do, it is obvious that people wanted to send a message that the President is wrong. I'm sure a lot of those voters think we should pull our boys out sooner rather than later.

[KrazyHorse]

That's my impression of popular American opinion too, Imran.

People don't know what they want to be done, but they sure as hell know that it's not what's being done now.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Indeed. Iraq continues to be Bush's weak point.

I thought it was his only point?......and it was a cluster f**k from the off.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Yet the numbers from the election showed that MANY are disgusted with the way the war is going. Whatever Hackett wanted to do, it is obvious that people wanted to send a message that the President is wrong. I'm sure a lot of those voters think we should pull our boys out sooner rather than later.

and im sure a lot of them think we should fight the war seriously, and send enough troops to win, and not skimp on troops to advance a scheme of military transformation. and make sure those troops are adequately equipped. And drop a SecDef when hes become a liability, not an asset.

oh, and of course some voted for hackett cause his opponent, a state legislator, was associated with the GOP governor in Ohio who is unpopular, and has raised taxes.