Slave reparations (UK C4 program)

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by C0ckney
i think everyone recognises that slavery was wrong and did a lot of damage to africa

I don't know how it is in Britain, but in France slavery falls completely under the radar. We have done a good memory job on WW2, we are beginning to do so on Algeria (two great shames for France during the 20th century), but the memory work on slavery is very timid. Basically, the only ones who care are the black community and politicians. The ordinary people will sure tell you that slavery is bad, but it doesn't get the immediate attention as some other events (like the Jewish genocide).

[el freako]

Originally posted by Spiffor

How come the US and Brazil still bought slaves for a jolly long time then?

Smuggling.

[Sikander]

The U.S. imported only 10% of the slaves that were imported to Brazil, and very few were imported in the decades before the civil war. It was a good deal more expensive to import slaves into the U.S. than to Brazil in the age of sail, so most American slaves were born into slavery.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Spiffor
The ordinary people will sure tell you that slavery is bad, but it doesn't get the immediate attention as some other events (like the Jewish genocide).

nor should it, because the holocaust happend within living memory, whereas slavery ended (at least in british domains) in the 1830s.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


In any event, Cuba isn't run soley by Castro,

That would be technically impossible. But what Castro says, you do, or else.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Dis
I'm against taking money from private citizens of course. Only taking it from corporations.

You do understand that a corporation is made up of stockholders who are private citizens?

Instead of taking a small sum of money from one person, you're taking large sums of money from a lot of people.

[Japher]

Oprah Winfery has profitted more from slavery than I ever have or will... how much should she pay?

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Compared to the rest of the world, no. Compared to what Europe stole from them, hardly.

The United States and Western Europe have given Nigeria over $400,000,000,000 in aid over the past 40 years.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I don't think anyone ever said they were utopian. However, as noted in the colonialism thread, they were a far sight better off then what came after. Slavery and colonialism destroyed Africa. Africa may not have become like Europe, but it probably wouldn't have been the basket case it is today.

By what metric do you use to say that Africa would have been better left untouched?

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Spiffor

How come the US and Brazil still bought slaves for a jolly long time then?

we stopped buying in 1808.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

As a member of the society who benefited from their labor, yes, that's the idea. Of course, as tax payers, the decedents of slaves would also be paying.

My family arrived 100 years ago from Poland, Scotland and Norway.

What happened to them? They got all their wealth stolen during colonialism.

So Africa is now devoid of all of it's mineral resources? You'd better not tell South Africa, or the Congo, or Nigeria, or Gabon, or Angola, or Liberia, or Zambia.

You don't know squat about African history then, reds. I suggest you look up Mansa Musa.

Mansa Musa, the theocratic tyrant? If you want to read up on benevolent leadership, learn about Sejong the Great instead of Musa, who effectively threw away Mali's gold supply and after his death, led to a civil war?

[Az]

we are beginning to do so on Algeria (two great shames for France during the 20th century)

I agree. They way you completely pussed out in Algeria is almost as shameful as the WWII fiasco.

[Provost Harrison]

Well my fellow countrymen, it looks like we are going to have to pack up and go back to Germany, Italy, etc, after all, our ancestors stole this country from the Celts if you go back far enough. It's only right

Or in other words, I've never heard anything so ridiculous...it's history and out of our lifetimes...how the hell can we make reparations for something that have absolutely nothing to do with us. You can't change the past!

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by rmsharpe

The United States and Western Europe have given Nigeria over $400,000,000,000 in aid over the past 40 years.

And they thank us by trying to trick gullible Europeans and Americans via Spam-Mails

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Az

we are beginning to do so on Algeria (two great shames for France during the 20th century)

I agree. They way you completely pussed out in Algeria is almost as shameful as the WWII fiasco.

Indeed, we were pussies. We were content with torturing them ragheads We should have also killed them and their families!

Edit: Oh wait we did