Plane chrashed in Greece, unclear circumstances

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Actually, from what I understand, burning alive is actually mostly painless. The nerve endings are destroyed by the fire fairly quickly, and you don't feel anything after that.

I've tended to burn victims and let me tell you it most certainly is not painless. If you burn the nerve endings the nerve shaft itself may still send signals to the spinal cord, furthermore you can have pain from the less thoroughly burned areas adjacent to the deep burn and you may even have pain signals from deper nerves.

[mrmitchell]

Actually, from what I understand, burning alive is actually mostly painless. The nerve endings are destroyed by the fire fairly quickly, and you don't feel anything after that.

I think it would be more painful to be microwaved, though.

[VetLegion]

Weird accident. Any news about the causes?

[Wiglaf]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/16/greece.crash/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

ATHENS, Greece -- An autopsy on the body of the co-pilot of a Cyprus airliner that crashed killing all 121 on board shows he was alive when the plane went down, a private Greek television channel has reported.

Coroners were also on Tuesday carrying out autopsies on 26 bodies that had been identified by relatives.

The Helios Boeing 737 had been heading from Larnaca to Athens, and had been due to fly on to Prague. The Helios Airways plane crashed into a mountain near Athens killing all 121 people aboard Sunday.

Examinations of 20 bodies, including that of a flight attendant, have already indicated they were alive when the plane crashed, an Athens coroner said.

Nikos Kalogrias, one of seven coroners, said the 20 victims' hearts and lungs were working at the time of the crash. "The attendant was alive and died of injuries" sustained in the crash, he told The Associated Press.

Suspicious

[Gangerolf]

****

so many crashes lately

toronto, estonia, greece, venezuela, that spanish chopper in afghanistan

A guy could grow paranoid from less

[Winston]

Gangerolf sighting!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Winston
Gangerolf sighting!

[Gangerolf]

[VetLegion]

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Geronimo


carbon monoxide gives a characteristic cherry-red blush to the skin. Carbon dioxide does nothing of the sort.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/26419-2.asp

[KrazyHorse]

This is really weird. What happened to the claim that the bodies were frozen if they were still alive?

What the **** is up with this?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


What you say might be true, I don't know, but you don't last many minutes wearing shorts and T-shirt in -50 C either. And the passengers were reported to wear oxygen masks, preventing hypoxia. According to what I read, oxygen mask systems are very reliable and rarely malfunction.

I have experience with -40C temperatures. An average healthy person would easily last a half hour in those temperatures with no protective clothing. Plus the passengers would almost certainly grab extra tshirts etc. from carry-on baggage, and huddle together for warmth.

There's no reason cold should have killed them. Something had to incapacitate the pilot, copilot (and flight engineer) quickly, else they would have descended.

Nothing about this story makes any sense, given the information that the people were still alive at the time of the crash.

[Winston]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
This is really weird. What happened to the claim that the bodies were frozen if they were still alive?

What the **** is up with this?

It's part of some inscrutable tradition of restricting information flow from authorities. It's not just the Greeks, but they are awfully good at it.

There's also the adamant refusal to mention even the possibility of the T-word being involved that has me puzzled.

[KrazyHorse]

Terrorism starts to make sense now.

a) No communication from plane indicating what was wrong (after initial a/c malfunction)

b) No attempt to descend to reasonable altitude, despite the fact that evidence indicates whatever occured on the plane was survivable

c) A slumped-over pilot in the cockpit with two unknown persons attempting to control the plane

Maybe somebody got a gun on board, shots were fired, the plane depressurised and the hijackers then attempted to keep the plane flying to whatever destination they wanted?

I don't know. The information doesn't make any sense as it stands now.

[Dis]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


I have experience with -40C temperatures. An average healthy person would easily last a half hour in those temperatures with no protective clothing. Plus the passengers would almost certainly grab extra tshirts etc. from carry-on baggage, and huddle together for warmth.

There's no reason cold should have killed them. Something had to incapacitate the pilot, copilot (and flight engineer) quickly, else they would have descended.

Nothing about this story makes any sense, given the information that the people were still alive at the time of the crash.

they did descend.