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  • #31
    Well, when you some day finish your study and enter RL you'll discover that you use a lot of time to handle exceptions and tell if you think there are a possiblity of a such

    Automatic systems can make many things, but they also have limtations. What you suggests isn't KISS wich is one of the most important concepts. One of my old schoolmates (seventh class/13 y old) is an SAS pilot and he tells that they could land on autopilot every time, but they don't. Why ? Not because of some macho thinking, but simply because that gives experience to the moment when the sh!t hits the fan.
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • #32
      oh look the smartass out of space comes back again.

      Good thing, now I don't have to bother anymore with the dickweed that is BC.

      Ta-ta.
      In da butt.
      "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
      THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
      "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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      • #33
        Lot's of talk about lack of pressure, but I don't think there necessarily was any loss of cabin pressure. It sounds instead as if the ventilation was malfunctioning so that the passengers were effectively sealed in like bugs in a jar with no air holes punched in the lid. The masks were probably manually deployed by the pilot before he passed out. I wouldn't be surprised if the ineffectiveness of the masks was related to the original ventilation issue, unless it turns out that the masks rely on bottled O2.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Geronimo
          Lot's of talk about lack of pressure, but I don't think there necessarily was any loss of cabin pressure. It sounds instead as if the ventilation was malfunctioning so that the passengers were effectively sealed in like bugs in a jar with no air holes punched in the lid. The masks were probably manually deployed by the pilot before he passed out. I wouldn't be surprised if the ineffectiveness of the masks was related to the original ventilation issue, unless it turns out that the masks rely on bottled O2.
          There must have been loss of cabin pressure, otherwise there would have been no need to release the masks.
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Pekka
            oh look the smartass out of space comes back again.

            Good thing, now I don't have to bother anymore with the dickweed that is BC.

            Ta-ta.


            You are really a strange person. For moments you display intelligence just for seconds later to fall back to caveman level.
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

            Steven Weinberg

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            • #36
              No, I'm just amazed by your expertise in aviation, software engineering, world politics, mathematics and fixing printers.

              Anyway I have to go to sleep now. I assume you have to work tomorrow also, but I have to wake up in... less than 3 hours.. NAARHG!
              In da butt.
              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Pekka
                No, I'm just amazed by your expertise in aviation, software engineering, world politics, mathematics and fixing printers.

                Anyway I have to go to sleep now. I assume you have to work tomorrow also, but I have to wake up in... less than 3 hours.. NAARHG!
                One thing that always has been a mystery to me is how printers works - I leave that to other people

                Well, unless I'm wrong, then I'm close to twice your age, has an unsatisfiable curiosity and have worked with SW for more than 20 years - I might have some knowledge you don't have

                Still have nine hours to my job is calling - what job do you have that need your attention four o'clock in the morning ?
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #38
                  You are lucky that I didn't hit the bunk yet (wrote few e-mails) so you can enjoy my words of truth.

                  Yes, years gives you experience fixing printers. I give you that much. I don't know a lot about them so.. I guess you're right.

                  4AM is when I have to leave already. It's because I'm not in my place now, I'm at dads because I attended this big party yesterday so I have to make quite a trip back.

                  Now to sleep. I suggest you get some sleep too, plenty of broken printers tomorrow.
                  In da butt.
                  "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                  THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                  "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Dis
                    How would a passenger know the pilots are unconcious
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                    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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                    • #40
                      Have paiktis, MarkG, orange, etc. posted?
                      meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Heresson
                        As I understand it, the pilot was in the passenger cabin - don't know why.
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mrmitchell
                          Have paiktis, MarkG, orange, etc. posted?
                          No,, greece has been very silent.
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Pekka
                            You are lucky that I didn't hit the bunk yet (wrote few e-mails) so you can enjoy my words of truth.

                            Yes, years gives you experience fixing printers. I give you that much. I don't know a lot about them so.. I guess you're right.

                            4AM is when I have to leave already. It's because I'm not in my place now, I'm at dads because I attended this big party yesterday so I have to make quite a trip back.

                            Now to sleep. I suggest you get some sleep too, plenty of broken printers tomorrow.

                            You have to admit, that's funny.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by SlowwHand



                              You have to admit, that's funny.
                              I have never claimed that Pekka wasn't funny

                              Actually he gives me a great lots of
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                              Steven Weinberg

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BlackCat


                                There must have been loss of cabin pressure, otherwise there would have been no need to release the masks.
                                The masks provide oxygen. Lack of pressure is not the usual way people can't get enough oxygen. more often it is due to poor ventilation. Lack of ventilation on an aircraft is just as asphyxiating as it is on solid ground. The crew had reported that they had trouble with their air conditioning. That is quite different from a loss of pressure.

                                Granted it could come out that they lost cabin pressure but it doesn't seem to be a given at this point.

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