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Most of people seem to be disagreeing with my theory of force use. I am an advocate of aggressive irradical behaviour, because anyone can control things, but only true masters can control chaos. I know it's kind of a long reach to any .. reliable path of sanity and it denounces the world of logics that I so much seek and follow and advocate.
However, what we all seem to be doing is 'knowing' (= guessing) what the outcome will be, what the response will be. The only FACT we DO know is that we know what we can do, but we will never know what will happen. War is chaos, and anyone who says can control it is a maniac. We can control our response, we can set the date when to start it, the resources tied to it (at first). But after that, it's in no ones hands. It's not like they're not going to shoot back. It's not like they don't have brave fighters, and skilled ones, or strategically well honed.
MOst of all we have one great disadvtantage, that is by default if you come from these neck of the woods and that disadvantage is that they know our stuff, but we don't know theirs. So what they have is better intel than we do, sounds weird, we have gizmos and things that go *MBEEP* and costs millions, but they still know more than we do. It's like women, they know who they will sleep with, while men only guess. To argue this is self deception and only shows lack of .. brains. I think this is self evident, and to go around it basically weakens our chances. All I'm saying is what ever we do, let's make it work. To argue against making good plans is nothing but suicidial.
We say, well, war is the last thing we want, the last measure to be taken. ****.. seems to be it's the first one! We have tried to talk some sense into them.. yeah.. like 'stop or we will blow you up'. That's not how you get people to do what you want, when they have a barganing chip. You offer them something. If no one is willing to share any power.. that's another story then. But then it's not about the security of our nations at stake, it's the power of our nations at stake, or more like a crumble of it. Let's not get over our heads and think they actually give them up for free.
Another point is they see NK. They are boasting with them, and anyone saying 'they'll be next' is wrong. They won't be next. Iran can look at that direction and join the laughter. Unfortunately for them it's not the same situation as with NK. NK has nothing interesting with them, or any powerful allies or anything going on for them, so we can leave them alone.
Let's play a game. How many of us can name the leader(s) of Iran. I know I can't. How many Iranians can name the leader of US? How many of us can point out Iran from the map. I know I can and most of you as well, but majority can't. How many Iranians can point US from the map? Who has better level of education? So why are the answers easy to answer, but still many of us can't admit we don't know crap about them, and they know all there is to know about us? We still don't like them, and they don't like us, but at least they know us.
Until we do know about them, we should never even think about war, because we have no chance of gaining victory. We will win the actual fighting, but so what? I can play Mortal Kombat to flex my penis of beatings, and no one has to die in the process.
What I'm saying is, many of us in here are saying, well, screw them I'm ready to support attack. As in it's NOT the last option used, but the first. Now there has to be pretty ****ing outstanding reasons why this would be acceptable other than someone might get nukes in a decade or so.
And people shouldn't get offended when I say this but I'm coming to believe that some people in here don't really give a damn about them Iranian people. Or Iraqi people for that matter. Or their freedom. To say it's acceptable to let say... ten thousand.. 20k.. 50k die in the process of what is ultimately a lottery at this point still is nothing short of insanity and the logics of murderous dictators ala Saddam. To say that it was sad but still acceptable for how many.. 15 thousand Iraqis to die because we got Saddam is nothing short of absolute evil, disguised in supposedly good. I'm not saying action in Iraq was evil. I'm saying some of the armschair general strategists in here seem to be lacking reality, or any human touch and feelings for other people.
And we seem to be OK with the idea of yet again thousands of Iranians dying because of a lottery game we don't even know the outcome because of supposedly and allegedly this and that and even before last measure has been taken? What can I say to that. See you in hell
However, what we all seem to be doing is 'knowing' (= guessing) what the outcome will be, what the response will be. The only FACT we DO know is that we know what we can do, but we will never know what will happen. War is chaos, and anyone who says can control it is a maniac. We can control our response, we can set the date when to start it, the resources tied to it (at first). But after that, it's in no ones hands. It's not like they're not going to shoot back. It's not like they don't have brave fighters, and skilled ones, or strategically well honed.
MOst of all we have one great disadvtantage, that is by default if you come from these neck of the woods and that disadvantage is that they know our stuff, but we don't know theirs. So what they have is better intel than we do, sounds weird, we have gizmos and things that go *MBEEP* and costs millions, but they still know more than we do. It's like women, they know who they will sleep with, while men only guess. To argue this is self deception and only shows lack of .. brains. I think this is self evident, and to go around it basically weakens our chances. All I'm saying is what ever we do, let's make it work. To argue against making good plans is nothing but suicidial.
We say, well, war is the last thing we want, the last measure to be taken. ****.. seems to be it's the first one! We have tried to talk some sense into them.. yeah.. like 'stop or we will blow you up'. That's not how you get people to do what you want, when they have a barganing chip. You offer them something. If no one is willing to share any power.. that's another story then. But then it's not about the security of our nations at stake, it's the power of our nations at stake, or more like a crumble of it. Let's not get over our heads and think they actually give them up for free.
Another point is they see NK. They are boasting with them, and anyone saying 'they'll be next' is wrong. They won't be next. Iran can look at that direction and join the laughter. Unfortunately for them it's not the same situation as with NK. NK has nothing interesting with them, or any powerful allies or anything going on for them, so we can leave them alone.
Let's play a game. How many of us can name the leader(s) of Iran. I know I can't. How many Iranians can name the leader of US? How many of us can point out Iran from the map. I know I can and most of you as well, but majority can't. How many Iranians can point US from the map? Who has better level of education? So why are the answers easy to answer, but still many of us can't admit we don't know crap about them, and they know all there is to know about us? We still don't like them, and they don't like us, but at least they know us.
Until we do know about them, we should never even think about war, because we have no chance of gaining victory. We will win the actual fighting, but so what? I can play Mortal Kombat to flex my penis of beatings, and no one has to die in the process.
What I'm saying is, many of us in here are saying, well, screw them I'm ready to support attack. As in it's NOT the last option used, but the first. Now there has to be pretty ****ing outstanding reasons why this would be acceptable other than someone might get nukes in a decade or so.
And people shouldn't get offended when I say this but I'm coming to believe that some people in here don't really give a damn about them Iranian people. Or Iraqi people for that matter. Or their freedom. To say it's acceptable to let say... ten thousand.. 20k.. 50k die in the process of what is ultimately a lottery at this point still is nothing short of insanity and the logics of murderous dictators ala Saddam. To say that it was sad but still acceptable for how many.. 15 thousand Iraqis to die because we got Saddam is nothing short of absolute evil, disguised in supposedly good. I'm not saying action in Iraq was evil. I'm saying some of the armschair general strategists in here seem to be lacking reality, or any human touch and feelings for other people.
And we seem to be OK with the idea of yet again thousands of Iranians dying because of a lottery game we don't even know the outcome because of supposedly and allegedly this and that and even before last measure has been taken? What can I say to that. See you in hell
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