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**DRoseDARs** · August 11, 2005, 02:04

It's obvious he's deeply conflicted about his feelings, gay or otherwise. It isn't your place to play counselor to this kid, but you can point him in the direction of someone who can help him professionally (or at least with better, more pertinent skills). Look up a local Gay/Bi/Lesbian support center and see if you can get a business card that you can hand to him. Make sure it's the type of place that when you call it can be completely anonymous if you want it to be. If/when you encounter this guy again, just be cool about it, don't corner him anywhere and just say, "After what we talked about last time, it's obvious you have a problem that I can't help you with, but you can give these folks a call. It's anonymous, they won't know who you are unless you want them to, and they can help you through this far better than I could."

**Imran Siddiqui** · August 11, 2005, 02:06

Originally posted by Asher
The sentences are constructed in a way that they refer to a similar, or connected, idea. Therefore, the act of sucking his dick will "bring him to the dark side".

I'm not sure what "dark side" could mean aside from homosexuality. It certainly has nothing to do with social outness of his sexuality.

Of course it is... if he has a boyfriend (or Hell, feels loved by a man for the first time in his life), he is much more apt to come out of the closet.

**Asher** · August 11, 2005, 02:07

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Of course it is... if he has a boyfriend (or Hell, feels loved by a man for the first time in his life), he is much more apt to come out of the closet.

Having sex with a random guy in a steam room does not constitute having a boyfriend, and it certainly won't make him more apt to come out of the closet...

The problem here is you're connecting ideas that shouldn't be connected. Random promiscuous sex does not equal boyfriend and self-confidence.

**Asher** · August 11, 2005, 02:08

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
How the **** did you manage to get into a fight in this thread with Imran in 3 ****ing posts, Asher?

Sometimes I worry about you.

I fight with Imran all the time. The man's wrong so much, but he'll try to spin it different ways.

I have a sneaking suspicion he's intentionally taking absurd positions and trying to argue his way out of it -- practice for being a lawyer.

**Imran Siddiqui** · August 11, 2005, 02:09

Random sex for a guy who most likely has never had his feelings reciprocated won't give a person self-confidence? WTF?

Me thinks the kid was a virgin... losing that definetly is a confidence builder for guys.

**Asher** · August 11, 2005, 02:10

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
It's obvious he's deeply conflicted about his feelings, gay or otherwise. It isn't your place to play counselor to this kid, but you can point him in the direction of someone who can help him professionally (or at least with better, more pertinent skills). Look up a local Gay/Bi/Lesbian support center and see if you can get a business card that you can hand to him. Make sure it's the type of place that when you call it can be completely anonymous if you want it to be. If/when you encounter this guy again, just be cool about it, don't corner him anywhere and just say, "After what we talked about last time, it's obvious you have a problem that I can't help you with, but you can give these folks a call. It's anonymous, they won't know who you are unless you want them to, and they can help you through this far better than I could."

I would gag if somebody did that to me and throw out the card before someone notices it. But, if I do see the kid again, I'll give him some gay/bi/lesbian support number. We'll see.

**Asher** · August 11, 2005, 02:11

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Random sex for a guy who most likely has never had his feelings reciprocated won't give a person self-confidence? WTF?

Me thinks the kid was a virgin... losing that definetly is a confidence builder for guys.

He's not a virgin, I know for a fact that he's fooled around with other guys (and didn't care if they lacked a condom). I'm not going to go into details about this, but I've heard it from someone else I talked to today at the gym about this kid.

And no, promiscuous sex is not a confidence builder.

It's still an amazing leap to think that sucking his dick would make him come out and be proud of himself. Absurd, even.

**Imran Siddiqui** · August 11, 2005, 02:14

It's still an amazing leap to think that sucking his dick would make him come out and be proud of himself. Absurd, even.

With a guy who seems to indicate unreciprocated feelings, getting those reciprocated is a large step towards acceptance.

promiscuous sex is not a confidence builder.

.... WTF?

**DRoseDARs** · August 11, 2005, 02:14

Originally posted by Asher
I would gag if somebody did that to me and throw out the card before someone notices it. But, if I do see the kid again, I'll give him some gay/bi/lesbian support number. We'll see.

Pardon the pun, but suck it up. I'd find it terribly awkward too if it were me in your situation. However, this isn't about you or me. This is about helping someone so deeply troubled that taking this simple action may end up saving him from himself. Just focus on that.

**Asher** · August 11, 2005, 02:17

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
.... WTF?

It's not an accomplishment to have sex with a horny gay man. It's really not.

**Riesstiu IV** · August 11, 2005, 02:17

You must bring that poor soul into the light and show him that his fifthly degenerate sexual activities spit in the face of our lord. The bible specifically says that thou shalt not lay with another man.

Praise the lord! Instead of being gay for other men, tell him to be gay for Jesus. We should all be gay for Jesus for Jesus shows us the true path to salvation.

I'm gay for Jesus. You're gay for Jesus. We're all gay for Jesus!

**Asher** · August 11, 2005, 02:21

Maybe he's religious, and that's the root cause of his problems.

**DRoseDARs** · August 11, 2005, 02:22

That'd be even sadder.

**Pekka** · August 11, 2005, 02:23

sounds like a lost boy to me.. I feel sorry for him. He is gay, but has troubles with it inside of him. That's the worst I guess.

Anyway, a gay dude totally came on me last saturday when I was out for the night. Difficult to tell what it was, it wasn't anything he said or did, he in fact only talked to me like few minutes on the counter of the bar ordering drinks, and I totally knew he was gay. And he sent a probe to me to see if I was gay, but I subtly turned him down. He didn't get it first, so he sent another probe, so I still turned it down, because I just wasn't polite the first time. I just don't like another mans penis inside me, or on me. So.. I don't know.. that was a good night though, girls also came on to me. Now that I think about it.. boy and girls came on to me. Damn, I'm pretty damn good. And I initiated 0 of those come ons. Praise be mine.

**Riesstiu IV** · August 11, 2005, 02:25

Originally posted by Asher
Maybe he's religious, and that's the root cause of his problems.

The bible specifically says the only true course to salvation is through self-mutilation, being gay for Jesus, and running a salt mine using Thai children as labor. I don't see how this could be the root cause for any personal problems.

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