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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
But it has so many other uses like...erm...yeah, loads
But it has so many other uses like...erm...yeah, loads
It can be used to make ceramic glazes, atleast.
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It can be used to make ceramic glazes, atleast.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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Khamenei et al. certainly aren't nice guys. But at least they're not bat**** crazy like some other leaders of rising nuclear powers are. It's not that big a deal. The biggest problem here is if some rogue Revolutionary Guards decide to have some fun. The essential difficulty we have in this situation is that nuclear weaponry is a supported among pretty much the entire Iranian political spectrum (of course some people may be more willing to sacrifice nukes for economic gains, etc. than others). Military action is absolutely not a realistic option here."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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It's not that big a deal.
Ugh, speak for yourself, your not the one that will be living under the threat.Comment
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Does Israel's weaponry not pose a threat to anyone ?Originally posted by Az
It's not that big a deal.
Ugh, speak for yourself, your not the one that will be living under the threat.
Unlike Iran and North Korea - two countries whose alleged nuclear ambitions have recently come to the fore - Israel has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, designed to prevent the global spread of nuclear weapons.
As a result, it is not subject to inspections and the threat of sanctions by the United Nations nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915Comment
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The biggest reason why Iran's nuclear ambitions can't be derailed is probably Israel's nukes (followed closely by Pakistan's nukes). If Israel decided to disarm, that's probably the easiest way to get Iran to abandon their program (as its political support would be substantially reduced). But, it's your call Az, as you say, I'm not the one living there.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Does Israel's weaponry not pose a threat to anyone ?
Not really, if didn't even use them in 73', there is no chance that we'd ever use them offensively. It's just an excuse by the Iranians, so it's all pure rubbish.
How does the fact that Israel is not supervised by the IAEA make Israel's nukes more dangerous? Israel never posed any threat to Iran, not even to the Islamic Republic. No TEH EVIL ZIONAZIS theory can claim that Israel wants to occupy Iran or conquer it. Iran, however, has spoken against Israel all the time, and has an axe to grind with it, perhaps for the role of leadership in the muslim world ( trying to compensate for the obvious shia/Sunni rift, maybe), or maybe for the fact that Israel had good relations with the Shah, and would have good relations with any secular force in Iran, if any such forces arose.
The original reason Israel even got those nukes was that the USA wouldn't include us in their nuke umbrella, a clearcut defensive measure.
The original reason Iran got nukes? to gain geopolitical leverage, that is both offensive and defensive.
Now if you again think that Iran and Israel are equivalent, well, yawn.Comment
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Last I hear, US has missiles that can strike any target in the world. And if predictions of rising theocrazy in the US hold true, we'll have a fundamental theocrazy with global nuclear strike capability.Originally posted by Az
It's not that big a deal.
Ugh, speak for yourself, your not the one that will be living under the threat.
Thus, every citizen of the world outside the US is living under the threat of nukes, if they should stray from the global "leadership" of the US...
I'm only partly jesting...
I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"Comment
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Az you know better than me how easy it is for some people to believe at all the crap heard from world´s media about Israel.
Some people would rather like having a nuclear war in the Middle East instead of Israel being the only owner of nuclear power for defensive purposesI will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
Asher on molly bloomComment
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Az, your argument is not very convincing, but we have to adjust for you being under threat (of potential Iran nuclear weapons), so you are not objective. I have yet to see someone explain why Israel should have nukes and Iran shoudn't, who should be the one to decide about it, and why have Europeans gotten so nervous about it.Comment
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Point, game and match.Originally posted by Az
It's not that big a deal.
Ugh, speak for yourself, your not the one that will be living under the threat.
People like GePap that contiue to weep about Bush and the USA and UK in general need to realize that this position the USA and UK takes isn't taken to protect the USA.
Iran won't launch on the USA.
To insinuate that shows a firm grasp of moronic thought.
The point is that here's a terrorist nation, yes terrorist, that has potential targets at arm's length.
You really haven't got a valid argument against the
USA/UK stance.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Question - are there any internationally recognized states whose existence is denied by, and who are threatened regularly with destruction by, India or Pakistan or Israel?
While Iran regularly threatens to destroy Israel. IIUC Israel has for years been open to negotiations on establishing a nuclear free zone in the middle east, which would involve Israel giving up her nukes. These negotiations dont occur, because several states in the middle east, notably Iran, wont allow their representatives to sit in the same room as a representative of Israel."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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quibble. It isnt JUST a US/UK stance. Its the US/UK/ France/Germany.Originally posted by SlowwHand
Point, game and match.
People like GePap that contiue to weep about Bush and the USA and UK in general need to realize that this position the USA and UK takes isn't taken to protect the USA.
Iran won't launch on the USA.
To insinuate that shows a firm grasp of moronic thought.
The point is that here's a terrorist nation, yes terrorist, that has potential targets at arm's length.
You really haven't got a valid argument against the
USA/UK stance.
Note, one of those four states is itself a non-nuclear state. Two of them are states that opposed the US and UK in regard to Iraq. Three are states that take a less pro-Israel position than the US does. Yet all of them have problems with Iran having nuclear weapons."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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So Ramo, when does the Islamic Republic of Iran offer to send delegates to discuss mutual disarmament with Israel?Originally posted by Ramo
The biggest reason why Iran's nuclear ambitions can't be derailed is probably Israel's nukes (followed closely by Pakistan's nukes). If Israel decided to disarm, that's probably the easiest way to get Iran to abandon their program (as its political support would be substantially reduced). But, it's your call Az, as you say, I'm not the one living there.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
So Ramo, when does the Islamic Republic of Iran offer to send delegates to discuss mutual disarmament with Israel?
It'd be a better idea for the one with the weapons to initiate discussion of disarmament.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
Do It OurselvesComment
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Yeah, France is a big backer.
Don't get me started.
Here, have an update. Note UN?
Quibble.
Iran breaks U.N. seals on atomic plant
Reuters - 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
VIENNA - Iran began breaking U.N. seals at a uranium processing plant on Wednesday, U.N. and Iranian officials said, a step on the road to production of enriched uranium that could be used for nuclear weapons. "They have begun breaking the seals," International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) spokesman Mark Gwozdecky said. "They are going to break all the seals and begin operating the plant in full."Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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