Congrats to John Bolton, new U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.!

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

One speaks volumes to lack of decision teh other speaks loudly to a negative decision requiring other or additional actions of the executive.

Not at all. When there is a filibuster, I don't know who really think that means oh, there just isn't a decision here. People know that a bill or person filibustered has been denied by a strong minority.

What crack have you been smoking?

There have been any number of times the tactic was simply used as a horse trading manuever for some to get their way on other issues.

Filibuster means nothing other than delay.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by joncha
Right, fine. So then John Bolton has the consent required? Oh, I guess he doesn't!

So lets pillary Bush when it's the Senate that has failed their responsibilities ehh?

[joncha]

Have they? I don't recall a deadline being part of advise and consent.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by joncha
Have they? I don't recall a deadline being part of advise and consent.

Touche.

OTOH as an historical backdrop use of recess appointment is not call for the histrionics and crocodile tears the Senate Dems are shedding.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Nope until the matter is concretely decided, not the measures that talk to whether all discussion is done or all evidence provided etc etc, the inference you make that senate has given advise/consent is simply that an inference not actual advise/consent.

You've done similar 'inference'. Actual advise/consent is open to interpretation and I'd think letting the President know that you don't approve by tabling, blue slip, or filibuster of a nominee fulfills that responsibility.

Filibuster means nothing other than delay.

Bull****. If filibuster meant only delay than you'd anticipate that once filibuster was over, the person or bill would get a vote. However, that has not always or mostly been the case. A bill or person filibustered has on plenty of occasions not come up for a vote ever. Hence, not a delay, unless you think that bills that have been filibustered and then dropped are still "on delay".

[Garth Vader]

Originally posted by Guynemer
And best of luck to you!

I, of course, will be moving to Saskatoon, post-haste.

I'll help you find a place to live here

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Filibuster means nothing other than delay.

Bull****. If filibuster meant only delay than you'd anticipate that once filibuster was over, the person or bill would get a vote. However, that has not been the case. A bill or person filibustered has on plenty of occasions not come up for a vote ever. Hence, not a delay, unless you think that bills that have been filibustered and then dropped are still "on delay".

Presumably during the course of a given session of the Senate they could and has happened on a number of occassions. Witness the pact of the 14 senators (even tho' no true filibuster took place).

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by GePap


The president has the power to fill any position if Congress is in recess and in theoy is unable to do so. The person then gets one year in office until they must be approved by the Congress.

as a provision it makes sense in emergency situations, but most of the time its just a way fro the President to put someone in they can;t get through Congress.

Can he do this with the Supreme Court and his cabinet?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yep happened on any number of occasions including Eisenhower.

New Jersey judge William J. Brennan was appointed to the United States Supreme Court by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956 through a recess appointment.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
So lets pillary Bush when it's the Senate that has failed their responsibilities ehh?

My understanding is that Frist refused to call the issue to a vote, cuz he knew Bolton would lose.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Can he do this with the Supreme Court and his cabinet?

Yes.

[Mr. Harley]

Thanks Imran - you made it clear it wasn't just me.

Ogie has officially entered the Nedaverse - personal interpretations trumping historical facts, precedents set, and how things work in the actual world. He even admits he doing this to be obnoxious.

[q]I simply find it easy pickins to stir up the vast left wing conspirators of 'poly by tweakin them on their typical anti-bush rants[/b]

That's the difference, at least Ned had the integrity to actually have a conversation, this is just Ogie being, well, Ogie. BTW, it's nice to know you are now a "vast left wind conspirator." Hell, I guess that makes me a member of Che's communist party.

[chequita guevara]

/me begins the shawnmmcc project.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes.

Why didn't he solve all of his problems at once then?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Why didn't he solve all of his problems at once then?

Because these appointments only last 1 year before the Congress does have to vote on them- it would be political suicide to utterly bypass Congress and then expect to get a free pass form them 1 year later.