US War of Independence

[Dr Strangelove]

BTW, how many loyalists returned to the US after a few Canadian winters? IIRC quite a large number. Consider that 50 to 100 thousand supposedly entered Canada in the early 1780s, but the population of Canada was only 100 thousand in 1812? Didn't anybody live in Canada before they arrived? US poppulation was 3 million at the time of the revolution, but rose to 4.5 million by 1810.

[Az]

the pop of canada was 100k at 1812?

USA at the war of 1812

[notyoueither]

When the United States declared war on Great Britain in 1812, Upper Canada had a population of nearly 100,000, four-fifths of whom were American-born.

That's 80,000 American UELs in Upper Canada (now Ontario). Lower Canada (Quebec) would have been much larger, so would have been Nova Scotia. There was also New Brunswick which would have been fairly small, but also full of UELs.

[techumseh]

Canadian population was under half a million in 1812. US population was 8 million.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by notyoueither

I say not really not British due to the phenomena that parts of Southern Ontario and British Columbia are said to be more British than the Brits.

Ya think?

I chose to ignore that comment of yours because it was the single most idiotic and inane thing I've read in a while.

And I like how you quote a UEL article in response to Toby's interest in an unbiased, non-partisan look at the US Revolutionary War. Did you even read Toby's OP?

Think on that.

[notyoueither]

Toby asked for views from outside of the US and Britain. I showed him one with the disclaimer that it was very closely tied to Britain.

I thought he might have been interested in the passion that many people demonstrated for the Crown. It also has more accurate appraisals of numbers than the 2 million from the Beeb that he mentioned.And if you've never heard the expression 'more British than the Brits' used to describe certain areas and populations of Canada, don't blame me for your ignorance.

Thank about it, indeed.

[Ecthy]

Was the British side in the War of 1812 only supported by Canada? No soldiers from the UK?

[notyoueither]

Lots, but that should be obvious. The militia from British North America did not win, and could not have won, that war. Regular British soldiers did. The militia did play a major role in the early defence of Upper Canada though, and in other places while the war lasted.

[notyoueither]

I say 'won', because from a Candian perspective, we did 'win'. They invaded and 'we' trounced them.

[Ecthy]

Here in G those wars are irrelevant in public opinion and knowledge.

[notyoueither]

Of course. It was one very minor British colonial war that happened while much larger things were happening on your own doorsteps.

However, it is a bit more relevant here, for obvious reasons.

[Ecthy]

Yeah, whe kicked Poland's arse and had thence our arses kicked by Nappy.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Yeah, whe kicked Poland's arse and had thence our arses kicked by Nappy.

You mean you, Austria, and Russia kicked Poland's arse. Were they really that dangerous that it took all three of you to hose them? What did they do to deserve it?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I say 'won', because from a Candian perspective, we did 'win'. They invaded and 'we' trounced them.

The invasion of Canada was a desultatory affair initiated by one local commander. You should be reminded that your troops invaded first and got sent packing back to Canada by a smaller American force. The commander's orders were to defend the Northwest Territory, which he definately did. After his foray into Canada British forces no longer threatened to invade from the North.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Regular British soldiers did. The militia did play a major role in the early defence of Upper Canada though, and in other places while the war lasted.

This ties in with the American perspective on that war. From the US viewpoint, the British, a superpower in every sense of the word at that time, were unable to utterly humiliate puny little America - again. Americans were very angry that that war was started because no one thought there was a chance in hell that they'd win, and yet the war ended in a draw. Thats a huge accomplishment for a new country and it had a hugely positive impact on the national attitude.