Does Poll Show Islam Not Religion of Peace?

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Next time you religion-bash, think to yourself : Have I invented democracy?

Some dead Greek doofus.

Purged the world of barbarians?

Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson made a good start.

Created a linguistic foundation for the rest of time?

Some dead Phoenician doofus. Or some dead Homo erectus.

Finished high school?!

Yes.

[St Leo]

Question: How many British non-Muslims support the London bombings?

I wouldn't be suprised if you could muster at least 1% up. There are always ignorant idiots with no power or influence around.

[Wiglaf]

Sure you could, but not in a RANDOM SAMPLE.

If 6 in every 100 muslims wants to blow us all up, I'd say we have a BIG BIG problem, much worse than the Japanese in WW2.

If 24 in 100 sympathize, we are bordering on needing deportation and show trials.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Spiffor

six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified.

Typical torygraph crap. The wording of the statement was:
"Q: Do you think the bombing attacks in London on July 7 were justified or not?
A: On balance justified - 6%
A: On balance not justified - 11%
A: Not at all justified - 77%
Don’t know 6%"

This does indicate a sympathy for the terrorists, but it doesn't mean that 6% of Britain's Muslims will be willing to kill Brits for Islam's cause.

Two other questions can shed some light on this result:

"How loyal would you say you personally feel towards Britain?
A: Very loyal - 46%
A: Fairly loyal - 33%
A: Not very loyal - 6%
A: Not at all loyal - 10%
Don't know 4%"

"Which of these views comes closest to your own?
A: ‘Western society is decadent and immoral, and Muslims should seek to bring it to an end, if necessary by violence’ - 1%
A: ‘Western society is decadent and immoral, and Muslims should seek to bring it to an end, but only by NON-VIOLENT means’ - 31%
A: ‘Western society may not be perfect, but Muslims should live with it and not seek to bring it to an end’ - 56%
Don’t know 11%"

This means that 10% of the respondents feel no loyalty at all for Britain. A significant chunk are probably people who feel completely alienated by the British society. It's no surprise, then, that a part of these people justify an attack on a society they despise.
OTOH, those who actually think that Muslims should destroy the decadent west are ONE percent. There are thity times more people who do think that the west is decadent, but that only non-violent means should be used against it. So much for Islam as an inherently violent religion.

Source

If 1 in 3 muslims in Britain want to bring western society to an end, then it's clear that Britain needs a reduction in their Islamic population of 1/3. If this is too sticky to pull off immediately, then I suggest refraining from letting any more into the country and shunning / boycotting those who espouse such hatred for the society they live in. Let them pick an Islamic paradise to live in if they feel that way.

[Az]

Sikander

[orange]

So a scientific poll of Christians today would show 6% support murder? Is that what you are maintaining??

So what do you say to those who believe that nuking Mecca is a rational and justified response to terrorism?

[Ramo]

If 1 in 3 muslims in Britain want to bring western society to an end, then it's clear that Britain needs a reduction in their Islamic population of 1/3. If this is too sticky to pull off immediately, then I suggest refraining from letting any more into the country and shunning / boycotting those who espouse such hatred for the society they live in. Let them pick an Islamic paradise to live in if they feel that way.

Yes, let's deport everyone who thinks Western society is decadent and immoral; there goes 3/4 of the Republican Party (and a good fraction of the conservative Dems).

[Heresson]

They are part of Western Society. Those Muslims who think of West as decadent and immoral do not feel part of it.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Heresson


The only religious group ever expelled from Poland were the Polish brother (anti-trinitaries) after Swedish Flood.

You're misinformed. The Moravians were a "utopian" like group. They preferred to live in villages entirley of their own believers. After their expulsion from Poland, Germany and the Hapsburg domains they moved to North Carolina eventually, where their original town has been preserved. There is also a memorial which has a map of the location of where their villages had been in Europe. Quite a number of them were clearly located in Poland. I don't know what name their group was given in Poland. In the US today they're know as the Church of the Bretheren. Could we be speaking of the same group?

What You've written has little to do with what I did.

Didn't you ask what sort of reform would be needed to counteract the radical Jihadists? I thought that I was pretty clear.

[Ramo]

They are part of Western Society. Those Muslims who think of West as decadent and immoral do not feel part of it.

That's certainly false, since only 10% of British Muslims don't considerd themselves at all loyal to Britain. 10% is significantly smaller than 31%.

[Az]

yes, but can you really claim to be loyal to something if you despise what it stands for?

[Ramo]

You can despise some things about society, and not despise other things. For instance, I think that there are some pretty damn immoral things in our society (like, say, capitalism ). That doesn't mean I don't consider myself an American.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Indeed... Az, I thought you would understand that some people can despise their government/society and still consider themselves part of the community. That describes a decent number of Communists/Socialists in Western capitalist society.

[Az]

You can despise some things about society, and not despise other things. For instance, I think that there are some pretty damn immoral things in our society (like, say, capitalism ). That doesn't mean I don't consider myself an American.

Yes, but do you consider, generally, America to be ethically positive or negative? If you think that america, on the whole is immoral, you're not loyal to it.

Indeed... Az, I thought you would understand that some people can despise their government/society and still consider themselves part of the community. That describes a decent number of Communists/Socialists in Western capitalist society.

They're parts of that society, in the sense that they talk and interact, and hold relatioships, sure, but I don't think they're LOYAL to their societies.

[Az]

loyalty being defined as a sense of obligation before someone, due to one's beliefs and convictions.