Does Poll Show Islam Not Religion of Peace?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo


What you're missing is that the truly great thing about the free society we have is that you can think what you want, without being imprisoned or deported for those thoughts. That's what I most want to preserve, and that (as well as Janis Joplin and garlic-cheese grits) is why I'm an American.

Ok, suppose we dont deport them. Would you acknowledge that the 1% and the 10% are a huge problem? That while we cant deport them, we'd be better off without them? That it might be worthwhile to monitor them?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Heresson
You don't need a brain to have a soul

[Heresson]

Feel free to quote me

[Sava]

actually, i'd like to apply your logic to other organs...

"You don't need lungs to oxygenate your blood!"

"You don't need a heart to circulate your blood!"

"You don't need a digestive system to digest food!"

"You don't need nuts to impregnate a woman!"

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Sava
actually, i'd like to apply your logic to other organs...

"You don't need lungs to oxygenate your blood!"

oxigenation is a natural process. Enough to pour your blood somewhere and it will oxigenate a bit.

"You don't need a heart to circulate your blood!"

Artificial heart.

"You don't need a digestive system to digest food!"

Taenia saginata

"You don't need nuts to impregnate a woman!"

God does not have nuts, and He did impregnate Mary.

But anyway,
soul is not a matter of functioning of the brain. At least for some it doesn't have to be.

[Sava]

DR. Heresson, MD

[Heresson]

MD?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think you should think anything you want in a free society, EXCEPT for the destruction of that free society.

Why? What is so horrible about thinking about the destruction of a 'free' society? What if you don't think the society is that free? Socialists and Communists who want to destroy Western society because they believe it enslaves workers shouldn't find themselves in jail for simple believing that. Muslims who find the US to be decadent and thus wish to destroy US society shouldn't be shown the door for simply that belief.

If you couple it with violence, it is different. But words alone, with no intent to stir up trouble, should be protected.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Heresson
MD?

MASSIVE DOUCHE??

just kidding...

MD = Medical Doctor

[Ramo]

Ok, suppose we dont deport them. Would you acknowledge that the 1% and the 10% are a huge problem? That while we cant deport them, we'd be better off without them? That it might be worthwhile to monitor them?

Monitoring isn't a problem as long as it's narrowly tailored to seriously violent groups and is respectful of their civil liberties. As an anarcho-syndicalist, you might understand that I'm skeptical of such gov't operations.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo


Monitoring isn't a problem as long as it's narrowly tailored to seriously violent groups and is respectful of their civil liberties. As an anarcho-syndicalist, you might understand that I'm skeptical of such gov't operations.

If theyre groups that are engaged in violence, then the govt certainly has the right to arrest them, imprison, them deport them. They can choose to monitor them only for strategic reasons, but as UK has seen, thats problematic. Im talking about groups (and religious leaders, mosques, etc) that support, incite, etc the destruction of the society by violence, even if they havent actually been caught IMPLEMENTING that ideology.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I think you should think anything you want in a free society, EXCEPT for the destruction of that free society.

"Why? What is so horrible about thinking about the destruction of a 'free' society? What if you don't think the society is that free? Socialists and Communists who want to destroy Western society because they believe it enslaves workers shouldn't find themselves in jail for simple believing that. Muslims who find the US to be decadent and thus wish to destroy US society shouldn't be shown the door for simply that belief.

If you couple it with violence, it is different. But words alone, with no intent to stir up trouble, should be protected.

In general I would tolerate words alone. Thats the American way, afterall. But I dont think free societies are OBLIGATED too do so. As for people who dont think the society is free, thats a red herring. We're talking about people who want to destroy the society BECAUSE it is free. I dont see that we need such folks. Im not calling for a witch hunt. Would it be wrong to ask would be immigrants to swear to support a free society? And to deport them for lying on their immigration form, if it turns out they do not? Or suppose we implement security measures that cause many to consider leaving - as it is said is happening now in Britain? Would it be wrong to take satisfaction in the (voluntary) departure of those who would destroy freedom?

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Heresson
You don't need a brain to have a soul

So, all organic life forms have a soul?

[Heresson]

That You don't need a brain to have a soul doesn't mean that everything without a brain has a soul.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
In general I would tolerate words alone. Thats the American way, afterall. But I dont think free societies are OBLIGATED too do so. As for people who dont think the society is free, thats a red herring. We're talking about people who want to destroy the society BECAUSE it is free. I dont see that we need such folks. Im not calling for a witch hunt. Would it be wrong to ask would be immigrants to swear to support a free society? And to deport them for lying on their immigration form, if it turns out they do not? Or suppose we implement security measures that cause many to consider leaving - as it is said is happening now in Britain? Would it be wrong to take satisfaction in the (voluntary) departure of those who would destroy freedom?

Freedom... pah! The world is a prison, you can just choose if you want a nice looking cell or not. And you have freedoms in islam as well, it's just that the cells are smaller.

The biggest blocker to freedom is what everyone (including me of course) is so obsessed with: property. You buy a piece of land, you put a fence around, tada. Nobody can walk there anymore without your permission. You have successfully limited the freedom of others. And so it goes on and on, until every bit belongs to someone and nobody can do anything and in the end you download a song off the internet and you are allowed to listen to it exactly two and a half times.