Iran executes 2 Gay Teens.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
"Hey LOTM if the US wasn't so pron on installing their own puppet leader in IRAN to controll the oil maybe there wouldn't even be an islamic revolution. They're the Persians you know. Historical people."

Obviously he's saying it's the US' fault that these guys are in power in the first place... I shortened that to it's all Bush's fault, which is a more common claim around here, even though, equally obviously, Bush wasn't exactly President at the time.

Um, Kuci... it IS the US's fault that these guys in power in the first place!

Have you never heard of the Shah of Iran?

[Kuciwalker]

Um, Kuci... it IS the US's fault that these guys in power in the first place!

It's not the US's fault that Iran is the ****hole it is, though.

[Thorn]

Activists: Iran targets more gays
Ben Townley, Gay.com U.K.
Wednesday, July 27, 2005 / 04:04 PM

SUMMARY: According to human rights activists, Iranian police officials are searching for three boys connected with the "crimes" of two teens who were hanged last week.

The Iranian government may be hunting more gay teens after publicly executing two boys for having sex with each other last week.

According to human rights activists, police officials are searching for three boys connected with the "crimes" of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and Ayaz Marhoni, 18, who were hanged last week.

An international protest is being urged in response to the hangings, which were conducted in accordance with the ultra-conservative Islamic Sharia law.

Activists across the globe are calling for more action to be taken against the Iranian government.

The boys being hunted are believed to have been named by the hanged boys under torture, the U.K. group Outrage! claims. They have since disappeared.

It is thought that Asgari and Marhoni were subjected to more than 200 lashings during their 14 months in prison and forced to confess to crimes they may not have committed.

They were also accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, although the majority of press reports have dismissed this charge as an attempt to avoid any censure from international governments or human rights bodies.

"This is just the latest barbarity by the Islamo-fascists in Iran," Outrage! spokesman Peter Tatchell said Wednesday. "The entire country is a gigantic prison, with Islamic rule sustained by detention without trial, torture and state-sanctioned murder."

A London protest has been organized next month outside the Iranian embassy.

After the hangings last week, U.K. activists criticized the government for attempting to forge closer links with Iran, while in other European countries gay groups called for an update to asylum legislation regarding lesbian and gay people fleeing conservative regimes.

In the United States, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was urged to publicly denounce the killings.

Least we have names and ages now.

[Az]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
No kidding.

I am never wrong. Your sig is the perfect example for that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Um, Kuci... it IS the US's fault that these guys in power in the first place!

It's not the US's fault that Iran is the ****hole it is, though.

Since it is because of the Islamic Revolution that was our fault... I'd say it is.

[Dr Strangelove]

No, it's the Ayatollah Kohmeini's fault. IIRC he began to advocate for a larger role of Islam in Iran's political scene even before the Shah took power, that why he was expelled from Iran. Had the Shah not taken over it is more than likely that he would have eventually opposed whatever government held power in Iran anyway, since most of the likely prospects in the 1950s were rather secular. The party in power prior to the Shah's coup was secular and somewhat left leaning. Eventually he would have found fault with it. However, as documents made public from the archives of the KGB have shown the Soviet Union was sending aid to the communist party in Iran and a communist coup was being planned prior to the Shah's coup. I'm certain that Kohmeini would have fought against a communist government in Iran. Whether he wouild have won is another manner. It's quite likely that he would not have escaped with his life, but someone would have taken his place.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, it's the Ayatollah Kohmeini's fault.

Since it is because of the Islamic Revolution that was our fault... I'd say it is.

I mean really, what in the Hell did we expect? Who was the only serious opposition to the Shah, that wouldn't run and hide when he went on his purges and would die rather than turn their back on their ideology?

I'm certain that Kohmeini would have fought against a communist government in Iran. Whether he wouild have won is another manner.

That's the point. WE made him win. The situation was ripe for an Islamic revolt, whereas without the support of such a dictator it wouldn't have been.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
I actually think this is one of the most pointless threads I've seen on Poly for a long time.

perhaps you expect too much from a Thorn thread?

[MrFun]

They're going to carry out a witch hunt now for more gay teenagers to kill?


sickening

[GePap]

Originally posted by Az
While GePap is obviously completely right, what really disturbs me is this vibe I get from him that he's actually happy about the situation.

I would slap you if I could for that insinuation.

[Kuciwalker]

[GePap]

You too.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That's the point. WE made him win. The situation was ripe for an Islamic revolt, whereas without the support of such a dictator it wouldn't have been.

I don't think you understood what I said. In 1953 the Soviet Union was ready to help the Tudah party seize control of Iran. KGB documents confirm this. Had the Shah not seized control of Iran, the communists would have, or at least would have tried. Whether or not Moddadegh's government could have resisted isn't certain. Remember that Soviet divisions were very close by, while US forces were still tied down in Korea.

If the communists had seized Iran they most certainly would have come after Kohmeini. If he had escaped he might have formed a resistance movement and may have eventually prevailed. If he prevailed there is no guarentee that he would have been greatful to the US. Look how greatful Osama Bin Laden is to us for having helped him oust the Soviets from Afghanistan. Evidently he felt that we owed him support for his bid to rule Afghanistan. Also consider how geatful Kohmeini was for the US having encouraged the Shah to leave. The Shah could have stayed, and with US support would have beaten back the rebels, but the US made it clear that it would no longer support his regime. It can be said that the US was the deciding factor in the Iranian revolution.

[GePap]

Please, the Communists were not about to take over Iran. If they would have tried, they would have failed.

But you know what, that would have been better than pruposely betraying our supposed love of dmeocracy, which made us forever lok like massive hypocrites to Iranians.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If the communists had seized Iran they most certainly would have come after Kohmeini. If he had escaped he might have formed a resistance movement and may have eventually prevailed.

So then the Soviets would have responsible.... but it didn't happen. We put our guy in... so we're responsible.