Want Your Kid to Disappear?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


That's what I wonder outloud on a daily basis. Whatever happened to the land of the free? Its there, its great, it just has a big old sign outside that says "Must be 18 or older".

You are probably a little pissed, so I guess that it's why you didn't answer my first question about the handcuffs .


Can you give an anser to that question ?

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
I've always wondered why the kids go along with it (or these boot camps in general.) If somebody had done that to me at that age, I would have gone into passive resistance mode and they couldn't do a thing about it.

They don't, but they are broken.

Punishment at these places is harsh. Stand out in the sun on a milk crate with your arms out for 12 hours. Get beaten if you let your arms down. Squat for 10 hours. Get locked in the closet for a week. Etc.

Isolated from all friends and family. Living in squalor. Strong people are broken in these places. Like POW camps.

Others continue to fight. Some escape. I've heard several harrowing stories of escapes from these places. Of course they have no where to go. They have no legal rights so they can't go to the authorities, the authorities would return them to the camp. They can't just run away and start a new life, they become fugitives. Most who escape end up right back at the school. Or worse, are transfered to Tranquility Bay as punishment for their escape attempt.

There is no Underground Railroad (not yet at least) for these people to hook up with and ferry them to a land of safety. There is no land of safety. They are legally property with little options or hope of escape besides enduring the hell their life is until they turn 18.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by BlackCat
You are probably a little pissed, so I guess that it's why you didn't answer my first question about the handcuffs .

Can you give an anser to that question ?

I believe so.

Parents can do all sorts of things in this country to their kids. As long as they put food on the table and there are no visable bruises, then most authorties turn a blind eye.

[David Floyd]

This kind of thing should be illegal - it amounts to child abuse.

I have a question, though. If kids can be beaten or forced to stand on milk crates with their arms out for 12 hours in these camps, how is this legal at all? If parents did this, they would rightly be charged with child abuse, so how can they grant the power to do this to another party? It makes no sense.

[chequita guevara]

For some reason, these places are granted more latitude by authorities. Texas, under governor Anne Richards, had shut down some of these places, but one of them was a major contibutor to the guy who became the next governor, and it, at least, was allowed to return to Texas, despite having killed a child.

[Last Conformist]

"'it was just a weak moment.' . . . He got turned on by her laying there with a short skirt on and all, and lay down beside her and unzipped his pants against her."

Weak moment? WTF?!?

And they pay this guy to abduct their daughters ...

[David Floyd]

For some reason, these places are granted more latitude by authorities. Texas, under governor Anne Richards, had shut down some of these places, but one of them was a major contibutor to the guy who became the next governor, and it, at least, was allowed to return to Texas, despite having killed a child.

Ann Richards or not, I would think that federal appellate courts would have jurisdication because of Constitutional questions - any kids ever sued one of these institutions?

[Last Conformist]

Anyway, before adopting Ozzy's wilder ideas, you might think about banning corporeal punishment and the like. Some of the stuff mentioned would constitute a violation of the Geneva convention if done against POWs ...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Ann Richards or not, I would think that federal appellate courts would have jurisdication because of Constitutional questions - any kids ever sued one of these institutions?

You obviously haven't read the complete article.

SCOTUS has basically given parents and surrogate parents total leeway, except when it comes to abuse.

[Kuciwalker]

IMO this is abuse.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by David Floyd
This kind of thing should be illegal - it amounts to child abuse.

I have a question, though. If kids can be beaten or forced to stand on milk crates with their arms out for 12 hours in these camps, how is this legal at all? If parents did this, they would rightly be charged with child abuse, so how can they grant the power to do this to another party? It makes no sense.

Also, it can be the parenting version of the US Government's recent practice of outsourcing torture. A lot of these places aren't in the US. They're in the Caribbean, where laws are not as strict and travel in and out is easy (no passport needed, charted flights are perfectly normal, etc.).

[BlackCat]

Oh yeah, It all Bush's fault

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Oh yeah, It all Bush's fault

Nobody said that. But it's the same logic that has us sending prisoners to Egypt to be "interrogated."

[OzzyKP]

I know the woman who runs http://www.caica.org, and she has met with lots of difficulty getting the light of justice shown on these places. She has spoken with all sorts of political officials on it. Some are on her side, some ignore her.

In Utah, Child Protective Services was after one of these camps. She was working with them (or trying to). But then they were specifically told by the state government to close the case and back off.

WWASPS and the rest make a lot of money, and give a lot of money to people on both sides of the aisle.

People in power don't want these places shut down.

[BlackCat]

I'm a little confused - don't you have a legal system in us ?