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I wonder if Jon Stewart will rip into this tonight.
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It was an intent to show Wilson was a hack. He was not under directives of the admin or DCIA to investigate. His mission(?) was directed instead by his wife. And ultimately his Clouseau-sian inspection techniques led him to believe he was the ultimate authority in yellowcake deals in Africa. NOT!Originally posted by Berzerker
Not much will happen, the law was passed back in the 80s (?) when a double agent - Phillip Agee ? - was exposing US agents to the commies. It wasn't meant to go after accidental or unintentional leaks. According to Matt Cooper's info, Rove didnt even mention her name, just that she was Wilson's wife and the connection between that fact and Wilson's assignment to Niger was relevant somehow to his credibility. I still dont understand why it mattered if she was somehow involved in sending Wilson."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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We'll see.Originally posted by Ramo
It sounds like he's at least guilty of perjury.
OTOH the charge the dufus reporters are going after Rove on and the implication that Bush said he would fire the leaker are wrong on both counts.
Bush 2 yrs ago indicated whoever was responsible if they had done something illegal would be dealt with. Seems to me that the WH is determing via the investigation whether or not Rove had done something illegal prior to determining if they need live up to Bush's boast of "dealing with him.""Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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That's even more painful when you watch the video.Comment
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It clearly doesn't matter. If Plame recommended to the CIA that Wilson should be sent to Niger to investigate the uranium industry, who the **** cares? Incidentally, he was perfectly qualified, and his claims have actually borne out, while it turns out that Dear Leader's claims relied on forged Italian documents.Not much will happen, the law was passed back in the 80s (?) when a double agent - Phillip Agee ? - was exposing US agents to the commies. It wasn't meant to go after accidental or unintentional leaks. According to Matt Cooper's info, Rove didnt even mention her name, just that she was Wilson's wife and the connection between that fact and Wilson's assignment to Niger was relevant somehow to his credibility. I still dont understand why it mattered if she was somehow involved in sending Wilson.
The most reasonable explanation I've seen is one that Juan Cole has suggested. That since some neocons see the CIA as ideological enemies to the WH (and Defense in particular), Rove meant to use his connection to the CIA as a pejorative, i.e. that Wilson was a CIA plant. Of course, they have the same attitude towards State, so that must make him doubly-suspect.
Of course, it could also be that Rove is simply that vicious a bastard, but I don't think even he would be that vicious...Last edited by Ramo; July 12, 2005, 16:03."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Rove said under oath he knew nothing about the source leak. That's perjury by any definition I know.
But ultimately it'll boil down to whether or not the GOP leadership think he's become more of a liability than an asset. If they do, he's in for a long fall.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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The "dufuses" actually know what the hell they're talking about.OTOH the charge the dufus reporters are going after Rove on and the implication that Bush said he would fire the leaker are wrong on both counts.
Bush 2 yrs ago indicated whoever was responsible if they had done something illegal would be dealt with. Seems to me that the WH is determing via the investigation whether or not Rove had done something illegal prior to determining if they need live up to Bush's boast of "dealing with him.
Bush at a June 10, 2004, press conference after the G8 summit:
Q: Given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President [Dick] Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?
BUSH: That's up to --
Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
BUSH: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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They smell blood in the water and hear the thrashing of wounded prey. It's not that they have spines all of a sudden, but now perceive that someone is too weak to fend them off or hurt them when they frenzy.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
What I really want to know is what kind of genetic technology was used to allow the press corps to grow new spines...Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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You know, Agee sued that last fool who libeled him that way (Barbara Bush) and won. You should retract that statement, since it is false. Agee wrote a book, Inside the Company which did not name names, but rather described CIA operations in Latin America in the 1960s.Originally posted by Berzerker
Not much will happen, the law was passed back in the 80s (?) when a double agent - Phillip Agee ? - was exposing US agents to the commies.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Great quote Captain Obvious.Originally posted by Ramo
The "dufuses" actually know what the hell they're talking about.
Bush at a June 10, 2004, press conference after the G8 summit:
Q: Given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President [Dick] Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?
BUSH: That's up to --
Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
BUSH: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts.
You do revel in pointing out the obvious. The above quote confirms his earlier position, a position that originally was stated if a crime was comitted then the person would be dealt with. Hence the inference to the U.S. attorney to find the facts.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Nice analysis, Captain Illiterate. It doesn't say that any crime needs to be committed, only whether Plame's name is leaked. The special prosecutor in charge of the matter, the US attorney in question, has figured that Rove is one of the leakers."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I forgot:
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Another quote:
No one wants to get to the bottom of this matter more than the President of the United States. If someone leaked classified information, the President wants to know. If someone in this administration leaked classified information, they will no longer be a part of this administration, because that's not the way this White House operates.
Again, absolutely no reference to a crime. None."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ramo,
Don't even try, your not funny and obviously not original.
The point being Bush in 2003 made the statement that if a person was found to be doing something illegal then that person would be dealt with.
For cryin out loud simply look at the ABC newscasts where they have the quote plastered day and night.
The 2004 intereview was an affirmation of his 2003 pledge to deal lawbreakers. The question was obviously wrong in that he NEVER pledged in 2003 to fire leakers but moreover DID pledge to "DEAL WITH" lawbreakers. Obviously the important part of his answer to the affirmative was in keeping with his earlier pledge i.e. not to allow memebrs of the whitehouse to break the law. Now if Rove is found to have broken the law including perjury in front of grand jury Rove will be dealt with.
Until such time as that can be understood completely it is fully understandable to keep their mouths shut. The ridiculous claims of the press for Roves head ( a promise Never made originally and weakly Nay nonexistently promised in the 2004 press conference) are premature until it is understood to what if any extent Rove broke the law."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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'cepting that leaking classified information is a crime Dufus.Originally posted by Ramo
Another quote:
Again, absolutely no reference to a crime. None.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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