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  • #196
    I'm sure you wouldn't want to forbid me from telling a friend "the jews should be killed off" over a beer. I'm fairly sure you'd have a problem if I waved a poster with the same message on the streets. Somewhere between those two you have to draw the line. You're either a free speech fundamentalist, or you're on the slippery slope.
    No problem with that- except for the fact that waving a poster on the streets for any reason is usually restricted as solicitation and advertising- therefore you won't see people doing those things except in government-approved marches, etc. ... and as for distribuiting materials to people, nothing's stopping them from doing so now- and yet people don't do it. Thus, besides being equivalent to banning the spread of communist ideals (because communism advocates overthrow of all governments) it's not worth legislating against.

    And if the distribuitor is printing lies- then he'll go to jail.
    And if he starts a fight- he'll go to jail.
    And if he harasses people to take his flyers- he'll go to jail.
    Last edited by DarkCloud; July 13, 2005, 19:55.
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    • #197
      Originally posted by DarkCloud
      No problem with that- except for the fact that waving a poster on the streets for any reason is usually restricted as solicitation and advertising- therefore you won't see people doing those things except in government-approved marches, etc.
      Which would seem a rather more drastic restriction on freedom-of-speech than banning a poster likely to ignite a riot ...
      ... and as for distribuiting materials to people, nothing's stopping them from doing so now- and yet people don't do it.

      Well, I for one have been given a couple far-right and far-left leaflets.

      (And then we had those posters someone set up at my high school calling for vigilante violence against neo-nazis. For some reason nothing was ever done about them.)
      Thus, besides being equivalent to banning the spread of communist ideals (because communism advocates overthrow of all governments) it's not worth legislating against.

      Since when is there something wrong with banning communism?
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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      • #198
        Insulting is saying the Jews are evil. Saying its a good thing to kill Jews gfoes beyond "insulting".
        Fair enough. Fair enough. That's why it's all right to have a law stating that if someone says "go kill Jews" should be illegal whereas "it's a good thing if Jews die off" isn't.
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        • #199
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          I'm fairly sure you'd have a problem if I waved a poster with the same message on the streets.


          I don't think he would, actually. I wouldn't, as long as you are giving a speech instructing the listerners they should go out and kill Jews now.
          Quhat? It would be less acceptable if I told them to do it tomorrow?
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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          • #200
            Since when is there something wrong with banning communism?
            Because it's hate speech advocating violence against the government.
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            and the reason people can't wave posters on streets randomly is because it is essentially advertising. And advertising to sell something doesn't have as many protections as free speech since it is speech not for ideas, but for products.
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            • #201
              Why don't you respond to what I said rather than Imran's prediction of what I'd say?

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              • #202
                Well, I for one have been given a couple far-right and far-left leaflets.


                And yet...obviously it did not leave you with any lifelong scars, nor does it seem to have suddenly convinced you to go out and overthrow the government, or engage in genocide.

                In fact, I'd wager that their net impact on you has been....negligable at best?

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                • #203
                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                  Actually, I think you should be able to do both, but the police can step in if it looks like it's about to turn into actual violence.
                  So the police should protect me while I'm waving it?
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                  • #204
                    Originally posted by Velociryx
                    Well, I for one have been given a couple far-right and far-left leaflets.


                    And yet...obviously it did not leave you with any lifelong scars, nor does it seem to have suddenly convinced you to go out and overthrow the government, or engage in genocide.
                    You, sir, are making categorical statements on matters of which you know nothing.
                    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                    It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                    • #205
                      Originally posted by Last Conformist
                      So the police should protect me while I'm waving it?
                      Oh yes. We give police protection when the Klan or Nazis march in a city in order to prevent violent altercation.
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                      • #206
                        Originally posted by Last Conformist
                        So the police should protect me while I'm waving it?
                        Yes.

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                        • #207
                          It would be less acceptable if I told them to do it tomorrow?


                          Tomorrow is sufficiently related to 'do it now'. If its specific then it's a problem. If vague (ie, Jews should be killed... not saying whether the crowd should do it, or the government, or whatever), then leave it.
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                          • #208
                            LC, Granted...I don't know you personally....nor those cursed leaflets' effects on you....but something tells me that I am not, at present, conversating with a genocidal maniac. Time and headlines will inform me whether or not I am correct.

                            And, having said that, I have seen you post here, and you don't seem an unbalanced sort, given to mass genocidal rages, nor have any of your postings here indicated that you are suddenly rabidly interested in such things.

                            Unless of course, you're fessing up to such?

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                            • #209
                              Originally posted by DarkCloud

                              Because it's hate speech advocating violence against the government.
                              -
                              Let me get this straight; it being advocacy of violence is a reason against banning it?
                              and the reason people can't wave posters on streets randomly is because it is essentially advertising. And advertising to sell something doesn't have as many protections as free speech since it is speech not for ideas, but for products.
                              If your laws treat waving a poster saying "Kill the Jews" as advertising, your laws are f*cked up.
                              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                              • #210
                                Let me get this straight; it being advocacy of violence is a reason against banning it?


                                I think the emphasis was on "the government" part of it .

                                If your laws treat waving a poster saying "Kill the Jews" as advertising


                                They don't.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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