Who uses Microsoft Antispyware?

[Asher]

I'm concerned about that too, but it still detects Claria and allows you to remove it.

[MarkG]

next thing you know you'll be geting a "gator is really good for you. do you really want to quarantine it?" alert box...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Adagio
ok, that's not true, it did find something but it never managed to remove it (after next reboot it's back). After doing this several times I gave up

That's caused by the slimeware having another component that puts itself back.

Check your startup programs with msconfig, check \windows and \windows\system32 for anything suspicious, and use regedit to go through the registry.

By now you should know Windows is a pain to maintain.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's caused by the slimeware having another component that puts itself back.

Check your startup programs with msconfig, check \windows and \windows\system32 for anything suspicious, and use regedit to go through the registry.

By now you should know Windows is a pain to maintain.

As opposed to being easy to maintain like Linux?

If people have a hard time with spyware, why do you think they're going to be capable enough to, say, install video card drivers for Linux or even install DOOM3 for Linux.

Slimeware is possible on any platform and all platforms. It's mainly a Windows thing because, unlike MacOS X or Linux, people actually use Windows en masse. Same deal with viruses, even though this seems to be over some people's head.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's caused by the slimeware having another component that puts itself back.

Check your startup programs with msconfig, check \windows and \windows\system32 for anything suspicious, and use regedit to go through the registry.

By now you should know Windows is a pain to maintain.

I did and always found something, but nomatter how many questionable files and suspicious registry entries I found it was always back when I rebooted Windows

Luckily it only affected IE



I don't remember what it was and can't check anymore since I reinstalled Windows... for other reasons

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
Don't use it as your only anti-spyware program.

I use it as part of the trio, with the other two being Spybot and Ad-Aware.

Each of them find things the others don't, which leads me to believe there are probably things that none of them have found.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
As opposed to being easy to maintain like Linux?

Yes, as a matter of fact. This makes me wonder if you have actually done real work with Linux at all.

Originally posted by Asher
Slimeware is possible on any platform and all platforms. It's mainly a Windows thing because, unlike MacOS X or Linux, people actually use Windows en masse. Same deal with viruses, even though this seems to be over some people's head.

Some people still don't understand that, due to the differences in design, files under GNU/Linux cannot execute themselves the way they can under Windows. Thus, you will never get anything like e-mail viruses, slimeware that intall themselves behind your back, etc.

This makes one wonder if you actually know anything about *nix at all.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Yes, as a matter of fact. This makes me wonder if you have actually done real work with Linux at all.

Would ask you the same thing, but you've demonstrated repeatedly on these very forums that you don't have much experience with either, aside from what any community-college techie might know.

Some people still don't understand that, due to the differences in design, files under GNU/Linux cannot execute themselves the way they can under Windows. Thus, you will never get anything like e-mail viruses, slimeware that intall themselves behind your back, etc.

You've once again shown yourself to be completely ignorant of software design.

Congratulations, are you going for a record?

It's absolutely stunning that anyone who can claim even basic knowledge of software design can make a statement like "due to differences in design...you will never get e-mail viruses or slimeware" on Linux.

Nevermind the fact that most viruses are done via social engineering. Nevermind the fact that slimeware can be any program.

Netscape is spyware IMO, and it's certainly available on Linux.

Opera's google-ads version is spyware IMO.

Both report websites you visit by default to other websites.

I would think anyone with a high-school education can see there isn't some kind of technical issue preventing "evil" programs from being made on Linux.

The problem is Linux's desktop marketshare is so incredibly pathetic that there's really no point in making software aimed for the mass market period. It's a double-edged sword...you don't get good games, and you don't get much malicious software.

It's the same theory behind both, but you're so incredibly naive that you think it's all because Linux has some vaunted flawless design, when it is anything but.

You're nothing but another communist with an agenda. From what I can see, your "alma mater" was nothing but a community college and your job is low-level IT work at some business in China. It certainly reflects the knowledge you demonstrate on Apolyton, anyway.

Feel free to prove me wrong, but you're going to have to do a helluva lot better than saying "Windows has fundamental, incorrectable flaws" and "Linux's design prevents it from ever having email viruses", and the vague "so and so would disagree with you". Those are the only pathetic arguments I've ever seen you try to construct in these threads. When confronted with a response, you flee and never return. Or you lock it, ban the poster, and delete it from sight.

[KrazyHorse]

You certainly manage to get banned with style, Asher...

[Asher]

I was taking UR's lead on that one. He questioned my qualifications and I questioned his.

It was his choice to "go there". I'm just a follower.

[KrazyHorse]

Maybe one of you two compsci geniuses can help me with this:

Locked up in a room I don't have free access to is a Linux machine called xyz (it's on the pha.jhu.edu network, but to log on to it you need to have a separate account, which I have; incidentally, it's also not called xyz, but no matter)

Now, if I run a certain command-line interactive program (it's a Fortran binary) directly from xyz everything works out perfectly.

If, however, I'm logged into xyz remotely, from another Linux machine on the general pha.jhu.edu network, the program crashes and says something like "core dumped" (after I have input all my parameters in the interactive mode, and as soon as it begins calculating what I told it to).

Other programs work perfectly (even ones with GUIs etc). It's just any of the binaries provided in the HEALPix software package by Gorski

http://www.eso.org/science/healpix/content/HEALPix_Documentation_html/facilities.htm

Specifically, I've used smoothing and anafast, and both have the same problem.

To log on to xyz I do:

xhost +xyz
ssh xyz
setenv DISPLAY localhost:0.0 (this last and the xhost have no bearing on the problem, as omitting them leads to the same error)

[KrazyHorse]

Oh, and neither of the computer support people who are employed by our department have any ****ing clue why things aren't working.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
Would ask you the same thing, but you've demonstrated repeatedly on these very forums that you don't have much experience with either, aside from what any community-college techie might know.

Asher, this "I am rubber you are glue" thing is so old and worn out that it doesn't even work in junior high. Though it's rather clear that is the level of your mentality.

Originally posted by Asher
You've once again shown yourself to be completely ignorant of software design.

Asher makes yet another assertion that he fails to substantiate, what else is new?

Originally posted by Asher
It's absolutely stunning that anyone who can claim even basic knowledge of software design can make a statement like "due to differences in design...you will never get e-mail viruses or slimeware" on Linux.

It amuses me that you can misquote somebody's post even though that post is in plain sight. Just a little, though.

Originally posted by Asher
Nevermind the fact that most viruses are done via social engineering.

Double clicking on an e-mail attachment in Linux doesn't execute it. That's basic knowledge. So much for your Linux expertise.

Originally posted by Asher
Nevermind the fact that slimeware can be any program.

Netscape is spyware IMO, and it's certainly available on Linux.

Opera's google-ads version is spyware IMO.

Both report websites you visit by default to other websites.

I have never seen reports of Netscape spying on your surfing activities. As for Opera, I am not familar with the program. However, neither of these has anything to do with what I wrote.

Originally posted by Asher
I would think anyone with a high-school education can see there isn't some kind of technical issue preventing "evil" programs from being made on Linux.

Indeed, you are right. What does that have to do with what I wrote?

Originally posted by Asher
The problem is Linux's desktop marketshare is so incredibly pathetic that there's really no point in making software aimed for the mass market period. It's a double-edged sword...you don't get good games, and you don't get much malicious software.

Mr MS Fanboy start throwing stuff out from the standard MS FUD manual.

Been there, seen that.

Originally posted by Asher
It's the same theory behind both, but you're so incredibly naive that you think it's all because Linux has some vaunted flawless design, when it is anything but.

Oooh, another strawman. How many of them can you throw in one post?

Originally posted by Asher
You're nothing but another communist with an agenda. From what I can see, your "alma mater" was nothing but a community college and your job is low-level IT work at some business in China. It certainly reflects the knowledge you demonstrate on Apolyton, anyway.

Laying on the ad hominems thick isn't going to help your case, Mr Milford. In fact, it is a sign of weakness on your part, because you don't have arguments and fact on your side.

Originally posted by Asher
Feel free to prove me wrong

I have done that already, but that is something a MS Fanboy can't see. They have their heads permanently stuck into the proverbial sand.

Or maybe it is that they have their fingers sticking into their ears, their eyes closed as not to see anything evil*, and just keep saying "Na na na I can't hear you."

Originally posted by Asher
When confronted with a response, you flee and never return.

You think way too highly of yourself. I just can't be arsed to deal with your lame fallacies most of the time. But today is Saturday, the office is quiet, and mild amusement is better than none.

Originally posted by Asher
Or you lock it, ban the poster, and delete it from sight.

A poster who breaks forum rules must face the consequences. No matter how you regard yourself, you are not above the law.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Now, if I run a certain command-line interactive program (it's a Fortran binary) directly from xyz everything works out perfectly.

If, however, I'm logged into xyz remotely, from another Linux machine on the general pha.jhu.edu network, the program crashes and says something like "core dumped" (after I have input all my parameters in the interactive mode, and as soon as it begins calculating what I told it to).

Do you need to run the program on X, or does it work on a text terminal? IOW, does it produce graphical output?

[KrazyHorse]

No. it produces no graphical output. Which is why not doing

xhost +xyz
and
setenv DISPLAY

shouldn't matter a whit (which it doesn't)

It is supposed to take a file on xyz and output another file on xyz. I know it's recognising the file that I'm inputting because of the options it displays next (specifically it knows what resolution of healpix file it is, which is contained inside the header of the file)