Communist Revolution in Canada?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Patroklos
I would not be supprised if communits actually hold the record for workers killed/time existed. Pretty sure Mao clinched it all by himself.

You'd be extremely incorrect, but you're likely used to that by now. Most of the people who died under Mao were peasants, not workers. That also goes for Stalin. Not that peasants don't count, but it just illustrates you're wrong.

For a single slaughterer of workers, the record easily goes to Hitler, since he started WWII. As a system, capitalism is easily more deadly. Tens of millions of lives were ground in the machinery of capital to create the wealth we have today. If we have better lives today, it's because our society rests on a foundation of blood.

Even as murderous as Stalin and Mao both were, life expectancies for the USSR and PRC went up during their misrule. China, which had had a famine every other year, has had only one since the revolution. The USSR had only two, one of which was deliberate.

Capitalism, on the other hand, sees the deaths of tens of millions in its empire every year, people who die simply because it isn't profitable enough to feed them a few pennies worth of sollution to stop them from dying from diarhea from the common cold, or because it isn't profitable to feed them.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ninot
I thought about it, and I think an argument can be made for either.

You cannot make an argument for Hitler being the drunk driver, and you cannot accurately make an argument for Stalin being the mollestor-killer.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Well Hitler was supposed to be an addict so that fits the drunk driver meme.

Stalin raped his own people so that kinna fits the molestor meme.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Ninot
I thought about it, and I think an argument can be made for either.

You cannot make an argument for Hitler being the drunk driver, and you cannot accutately make an argument for Stalin being the mollestor-killer.

Ok, fair enough. Those were pretty much my thoughts too.

Although I did think there might possibly be a way to see Stalin as a mollestor/killer with the hole Gulag thing, but i dont wanna argue the point.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Well Hitler was supposed to be an addict so that fits the drunk driver meme.

Stalin raped his own people so that kinna fits the molestor meme.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ninot
Ok, fair enough. Those were pretty much my thoughts too.

Although I did think there might possibly be a way to see Stalin as a mollestor/killer with the hole Gulag thing, but i dont wanna argue the point.

Most of the people sent to the gulag were sent there for common crimes, not political ones. Read A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch.

Edit: Also, most of the deaths in the gulag system occured during the war, because of the lack of food (the USSR's bread basket being in Nazi hands). If your choice is between feeding prisoners and feeding soldiers to fend off an invasion, guess who's going to get the short end of the stick.

[Odin]

Historical experience has proven time and time again that the "peaceful transition towards socialism", dreamed up by the revisionists, is a bloody and harmful illusion. It is a fallacy that does nothing but set us up for a loss. The imperialist bourgeoisie will never cede power without a bloody fight!

[Kidlicious]

Odin,

Why don't you tell us about all the peacefull transitions.

[Patroklos]

You'd be extremely incorrect, but you're likely used to that by now. Most of the people who died under Mao were peasants, not workers. That also goes for Stalin. Not that peasants don't count, but it just illustrates you're wrong.

HA!!!

That has to be the best communist slither/wiggle move I have seen so far. Peasents aren't workers because Marx says so, god you guys really are lost in your world of paper theories.

Capitalism, on the other hand, sees the deaths of tens of millions in its empire every year, people who die simply because it isn't profitable enough to feed them a few pennies worth of sollution to stop them from dying from diarhea from the common cold, or because it isn't profitable to feed them.

Same goes for communsim. Did more people starve under capitalist America or Soviet Russia between 1917-1981? Very weak arguement.

So I resubmit...

I would not be supprised if communits actually hold the record for workers killed/time existed. Pretty sure Mao clinched it all by himself.

War dead is always tricky, I can't attribute the communist war dead because of the communist system itself, but then again if the communist cause has required such deaths for its continued exisitance and you all require a violent confrontation with the capitalists, they are results of the communist system.

WWII Soviet war casuatlies died under Stalin for the sake of communism. Hence, by the hand of communism.

+15-20 million to communism's total.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Patroklos
HA!!!

That has to be the best communist slither/wiggle move I have seen so far. Peasents aren't workers because Marx says so, . . . [insert insult here]

Ha nothing. Peasants aren't workers and no one says they are, except you just now. Peasants have always been considered their own class.

Same goes for communsim. Did more people starve under capitalist America or Soviet Russia between 1917-1981? Very weak arguement.

Not really. Which country was an advanced industrial economy in 1917? Which country just had suffered three years of devastating war, and had four more years of civil war, the invasion of forteen countries to fend off, and then fought the main brunt of Nazi Germany on their own soil? You cannot reasonably compare the two countries.

Still, if you include the whole of the American empire, many more millions starved to death in our empire than theirs. The Black Book of Communism lays 100,000,000 dead at their feet over the seven decades of Communist rule. The capitalist world manages that every decade.

War dead is always tricky,

Not really. Those who start an aggressive war are responsible. Hitler started WWII in Europe and Africa. Hitler is to blame for all those deaths. Those who died in the war would not have done so had Hitler not started it. I don't blame the U.S. for the deaths it caused in the war, because it didn't start the war. Japan and the rest of the Axis carry that burden.

Anyway, we don't require a violent confrontation with the capitalists, we just think it is inevitable. I am happy to be proven wrong. We just think that the capitalist will initiate violence when we come close to our goals peacefully, and that will necessitate violent self-defence.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Still, if you include the whole of the American empire, many more millions starved to death in our empire than theirs.

If colonialism was a part of capitalism you may have had a point.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Still, if you include the whole of the American empire, many more millions starved to death in our empire than theirs.

If colonialism was a part of capitalism you may have had a point.

It is.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, it isn't [if anything it is anti-Capitalism, not allowing a free market].

(So nyah )

[chequita guevara]

Free market != capitalism
It never has, except in the deluded minds of liber-tyrants. You're smarter than that.

[Kidlicious]

Capitalism like Imran describes doesn't exist because it's inefficient. There's a reason why colonial empires prevented competition, because they couldn't afford their operations unless they did. It's the same reason today that we have such limited competition. Capitalists need pricing power to keep the rate of profit up.

Talking about competitive capitalism is irrelevent.