War of the Worlds - Ozzy's Review

[Wiglaf]

Where do you live? If ever there was a good cause in need of extra donations, this is it.

I'd say the youth movement could use some donations as well...you're fighting on behalf of kids who don't care, alongside about ten or so squeaky and outspoken high-schoolers on your "board", over the such monumental injustices as the inability of ninth-graders to elect our president.

Unfortunately, moaning about the fact that they can't watch excessive violence/porn in movie theaters either until they're 18 leads you nowhere except a 5-minute filler segment for Fox and some war-chants by your overly zealous, roughly 20 regular forum members.

Keep on quoting retarded Black Sabbath lyrics and pretending American kids are the real victims. Move to Africa and check out the youth rights there. Your cause is for crap.

[Theben]

Yes... b/c nothing bad ever happens to kids in America.

[Wiglaf]

What?

[FrostyBoy]

I can't quite figure it out yet,

but the reason they gathered blood is because either:

1. They used it to power their machines
2. They used it to terraform the planet to something more habitable for the aliens. (That is why you only saw the aliens come out where the land had been terraformed.
3. They were just doing it because it's fun to be evil and do evil things.

[Nostromo]

I'm reading the book right now. Here's Well's explanation:

Spoiler:

Strange as it may seem to a human being, all the complex apparatus of digestion, which makes up the bulk of our bodies, did not exist in the Martians. They were heads--merely heads. Entrails they had none. They did not eat, much less digest. Instead, they took the fresh, living blood of other creatures, and injected it into their own veins. I have myself seen this being done, as I shall mention in its place. But, squeamish as I may seem, I cannot bring myself to describe what I could not endure even to continue watching. Let it suffice to say, blood obtained from a still living animal, in most cases from a human being, was run directly by means of a little pipette into the recipient canal. . . .

The bare idea of this is no doubt horribly repulsive to us, but at the same time I think that we should remember how repulsive our carnivorous habits would seem to an intelligent rabbit.

The physiological advantages of the practice of injection are undeniable, if one thinks of the tremendous waste of human time and energy occasioned by eating and the digestive process. Our bodies are half made up of glands and tubes and organs, occupied in turning heterogeneous food into blood. The digestive processes and their reaction upon the nervous system sap our strength and colour our minds. Men go happy or miserable as they have healthy or unhealthy livers, or sound gastric glands. But the Martians were lifted above all these organic fluctuations of mood and emotion.

Their undeniable preference for men as their source of nourishment is partly explained by the nature of the remains of the victims they had brought with them as provisions from Mars. These creatures, to judge from the shrivelled remains that have fallen into human hands, were bipeds with flimsy, silicious skeletons (almost like those of the silicious sponges) and feeble musculature, standing about six feet high and having round, erect heads, and large eyes in flinty sockets. Two or three of these seem to have been brought in each cylinder, and all were killed before earth was reached. It was just as well for them, for the mere attempt to stand upright upon our planet would have broken every bone in their bodies.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


I'd say the youth movement could use some donations as well...you're fighting on behalf of kids who don't care, alongside about ten or so squeaky and outspoken high-schoolers on your "board", over the such monumental injustices as the inability of ninth-graders to elect our president.

Unfortunately, moaning about the fact that they can't watch excessive violence/porn in movie theaters either until they're 18 leads you nowhere except a 5-minute filler segment for Fox and some war-chants by your overly zealous, roughly 20 regular forum members.

Keep on quoting retarded Black Sabbath lyrics and pretending American kids are the real victims. Move to Africa and check out the youth rights there. Your cause is for crap.

I'd love for you to live life as a teen again. Then we could all mock you for your juvenile whining about facing segregation, disenfranchisement, and lack of most all civil rights.

I'd love to see how you'd make it at Tranquility Bay.

[MrFun]

wow -- THAT was an interesting post, nostro



thanks for the info

[Wiglaf]

I think you have some sort of a case (I completely disagree with it) with lowering the voting age by a matter of months. But turning that into a crusade that wants "liberation" in movie theaters and cars is over-the-top.

If the kids want it, are truly being oppressed, and can be responsible members of society, we should hear from them in much greater numbers than this. No sect of society cannot simultanteously be responsible but not lift a finger when its rights are supposedly violated.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
I think you have some sort of a case (I completely disagree with it) with lowering the voting age by a matter of months. But turning that into a crusade that wants "liberation" in movie theaters and cars is over-the-top.

If the kids want it, are truly being oppressed, and can be responsible members of society, we should hear from them in much greater numbers than this. No sect of society cannot simultanteously be responsible but not lift a finger when its rights are supposedly violated.

Let Ozzy do his thing.

He's better off not knowing the vast majority of teenagers wouldn't want to vote anyway, for fear of electing people like you into public office.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
No sect of society cannot simultanteously be responsible but not lift a finger when its rights are supposedly violated.

I disagree with Ozzy's idea of extending suffrage to minority age groups, but I have a bone to pick with your statement here.

During the Jim Crow era, the majority of blacks in the South were in no position to protest for equal protection under the law and for equal rights without endangering their own property and/or their lives.

Does this mean, by the rationale of your statement, that it was justifiable for Southern state governments and white mobs to repress blacks?

[OzzyKP]

Many women disagreed with the idea of votes for women too a hundred years ago, and many more were apathetic about the idea. It took time for the idea to build.

All ideas take time to build. Youth rights is no different.

[MrFun]

yes, it is

[Wiglaf]

MrFun :: No . I'm assuming a more free environment.

OzzyKP :: There are all kinds of reasons for that. Slavery obscured the issue; puritan ideals indirectly told the women to get in the kitchen; the country was pretty young as well. Now that we're a modern, secular culture, and kids - the most modern and secular among us - apparently don't want to vote, it's safe to assume they never will.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
MrFun :: No . I'm assuming a more free environment.

That is a faulty assumption.

Originally posted by Wiglaf OzzyKP :: There are all kinds of reasons for that. Slavery obscured the issue; puritan ideals indirectly told the women to get in the kitchen; the country was pretty young as well. Now that we're a modern, secular culture, and kids - the most modern and secular among us - apparently don't want to vote, it's safe to assume they never will.

Slavery was still an issue by 1900? No.

The culture and "ideals" of our nation now are more hostile to youth speaking their mind than "puritan ideals" were to women. As you hint at, this causes internalization of this dominant cultural attitude, and yes that does affect people in the disenfranchised class. Be they women or youth.

So you are saying the less religious people are the more likely they are to vote? Plus the fact that the current up and coming youth are more religious than their Baby Boomer parents, your point is wrong.

You'd think that after being on the wrong side of every civil rights movement for the last 100 years, and taking their lumps because of it, Republicans would wise up and try to champion the next big movement in its infancy. But if you are any sign it seems conservatives will venomously fight youth rights just like they do/did gay rights, women's rights, and black civil rights. Its a shame, and a tactical error I might add.

[:) Smiley]

There is one key difference with the youth rights movement, that being that one is not always a member of the under 21 age group. To gain momentum the movement would need to convince the target audience that big improvements can be made in just a handful of years.

It's not outside the realm of feasibility, though. The Internet has brought huge gains in equality for youth, and in many cases even an advantage.