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One thing I never got about the plot of the Novel and subsequent movies, is that one would think that the question of survival in the enviroment would be the first question an advanced alien power would consider when considering invasion.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Their point was not invasion, but extinction. I understood it as some kind of sport or entertainment.Comment
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OMG!!11Originally posted by Wiglaf
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Nooooooooooooooooooo.....Only feebs vote.Comment
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Yeah. He's been voted village idiot 3 years running!
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They probably elected him caretaker of the community's shared gardening equipment and stuff garage...Comment
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Did you read the preface in the original novel? The line about 'vast cool intellects'?
It was an invasion plan.
For an extermination-conquest, ID4 is actually (slightly) more realistic. If all you want is to have usable landmass left over, the options given in 'Galactic Civilizations' are much more realistic. 'Slingshot' asteroids, drop camera guided lead bars from orbit (the pentagons 'deep penetrators'), chemical toxins that break down in a few years. Kill off 90%, force the survivors into bunkers where they're irrelevant, and you've won.
It's not romantic, but a real large scale solar system invasion would be decided at ranges measured in AU, with long range missiles and lasers, (much like in the Hyperion novels).
The whole planetary invasion panoply, the drop ships, walkers, battle armour, etc etc, would only be needed (and would be enormously expensive) if you wanted to keep the population mostly intact for some reason (like it says in 'Galactic Civ', "ahh yes, slaves....you can never have enough slaves").
Even in Independence Day it's not as pushbutton as it would really be....if their goal is just to smash major population centres and fixed military bases, why stay in earth's atmosphere where all our weapons are effective? Why not just stay in LEO and use big chunk's o' rock instead of fancy energy intensive beams??!
I love the novel though...the only way they had to take out a walker was heavy artillery at a terrible loss ratio."Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
"...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Yeah. He's been voted village idiot 3 years running!
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I agree.Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
Good review Ozzie.
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As to the why not bombard from orbit deal, Moo3 answers this fairly well, until you get a good sized empire going with lots of technology you just don't have the punch to bomb out a world.
Invading with troops and working the local population to death is the cheapest way to exterminate some group as we've seen here on earth.Comment
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Who needs punch when you've got patience? The easiest way, by far, is to let nature do the work for you. If you're a spacefaring emire, then orbital mechanics are a breeze. Just nudge a few comets into orbits that will hit the planet and wait for the dust to settle. The whole plan might take a few decades or centuries but that's nothing.Originally posted by Whoha
As to the why not bombard from orbit deal, Moo3 answers this fairly well, until you get a good sized empire going with lots of technology you just don't have the punch to bomb out a world.
Invading with troops and working the local population to death is the cheapest way to exterminate some group as we've seen here on earth.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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It might not even take that long, if there's one anywhere nearby.Comment
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I think the whole bit with the blood was unnecessary & didn't fit into the story. Also the human capitives. If it's an extermination why do they need the humans/blood?I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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I saw War of the Worlds yesterday and I loved it.
I thought it was much better than Independence Day.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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