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**JohnT** · June 28, 2005, 20:22

Dune pwns both of your selections so badly it's not even funny.

**Zkribbler** · June 28, 2005, 20:23

I found Dune deadly dull.

**Nostromo** · June 28, 2005, 20:24

1984 pwns Dune so badly its not even funny

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 28, 2005, 20:31

Rendevous with Rama by Clarke.

**JohnT** · June 28, 2005, 20:32

My sci-fi book club thread on Enders Game.

My sci-fi book club thread about Dune.

**Donegeal** · June 28, 2005, 20:34

Ender's Game is a great book. Easy to read and it keeps you interested, but the "big shock" at the end isn't so big. Just about everybody should know what is going on by the time we get there. Ender is written as such an intelligent and intuitive kid that he should have known what was going on before it was revealed to him. And as far as "greatest SF ever" I can't put it anywhere near the top. Its just too easy to read to be "the greatest."

The Forever War, well, if its the one I'm thinking of, I didn't really like the end. The whole "this is stupid. Lets be friends" deal after thousands of years of war. Bleh.

Dune is dull in how descriptive Herbert writes. He takes two pages to describe how fast the wind is blowing outside the building that the actually story is taking place in. Paints a very nice picture, but it really is just fluff. Don't get me wrong, I love the book and have read it twice, but its got a lot of stuff in it that just slows down the pace. However, as no other books are comming to mind, I'd have to give it the nod.

**JohnT** · June 28, 2005, 20:48

There's a thread on Dune, I'll leave my thoughts about it there.

Enders was fine, but Card saddled himself with kids that were too old in their abilities and thoughts. I could have bought the book in whole had he not thrown in the Valentine/Peter-Demosthenes/Locke subplot, perhaps the dumbest idea in the history of fiction.

**Drake Tungsten** · June 28, 2005, 20:50

Dune, obviously. It is to sci-fi what The Lord of the Rings is to fantasy.

**Dr Strangelove** · June 28, 2005, 20:50

Dune is a great book.

How about Ringworld?

**Rufus T. Firefly** · June 28, 2005, 20:51

A Canticle for Liebowitz

**Zkribbler** · June 28, 2005, 20:55

Originally posted by Donegeal
The Forever War, well, if its the one I'm thinking of, I didn't really like the end. The whole "this is stupid. Lets be friends" deal after thousands of years of war. Bleh.

That's the one, but you misperceive the ending. Haldeman came back from Vietnam convinced that wars are stupid. So he wrote a book about a war that should have never happened. PS: I thought the message Mandela receives right after learning about the beginning of the war makes it a terrific ending.

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 28, 2005, 20:57

Didn't we also have a discussion thread on "Foundation" series. That deserves a mention as well.

**Dr Strangelove** · June 28, 2005, 20:58

Michael Crichton's Andromeda Strain was also great.

**JohnT** · June 28, 2005, 21:01

We did, imran. But you can look up the link.

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