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    Curious to your thoughts on this,

    One interesting thing - soCalifornians are always *****-ing about how expensive San Francisco is while this whole time, Los Angeles is considered to be more expensive. Having some prime real estate in Santa Monica and Beverly Hills probably did not help.


    World's most expensive cities
    Survey: Tokyo and Osaka take top spots, followed by London, Moscow and Seoul.

    June 22, 2005: 2:40 PM EDT
    NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – It's hard to make New Yorkers feel good about the absurd amounts of money required to live comfortably in Gotham. But a survey out this week might at least make them feel a little better.

    That's because Tokyo continues to earn the dubious distinction of being the world's most expensive city to live in, according to a survey released this week by Mercer Human Resources Consulting.

    No. 2 on the list is Osaka, another major Japanese city, which moved up from its fourth place ranking last year.

    Osaka's ascent pushed London to No. 3, and Moscow to No. 4.

    Coming in fifth is Seoul, which ascended two spots from its position in last year's survey.

    As for New York, it fell one spot in the rankings to No. 13 on a worldwide basis, tying it with Dublin.

    But New York still ranks No. 1 in North America, followed by Los Angeles, which ranks No. 44 on a worldwide basis, White Plains, N.Y. which ranks No. 45, and San Francisco which ranks No. 50.

    Mercer conducts the survey to help multinational companies and governments determine how much to pay their expatriate employees. The survey includes 144 cities across the world, and measures costs including housing, food, clothing, transportation and entertainment.

    So, if your company is shipping you off to Tokyo and you're negotiating compensation, you might remind them that a luxury two-bedroom apartment unfurnished might cost you $4,595 a month.

    And you also might remind them that with coffee running at over $4 a cup, there is some risk you'll be less productive due to loss of caffeine unless you're adequately paid.

    If you're making a move domestically, and you're interested in finding the place where your dollar will go the farthest, try Winston Salem, N.C., which is the least expensive U.S. city surveyed and ranks No. 119 on a worldwide basis. Heading north, Ottawa will provide you with the most bang for your buck in North America.

    If you head south to South America, you'll encounter some of the world's least expensive cities due to the lingering effects of the devaluation of the Argentine currency in 2002 and subsequent financial crisis, Mercer said. Asuncion, Paraguay, again ranks as the world's least expensive city, according to the survey. It is closely preceded by Buenos Aires, Montevideo and Caracas.

    To see Mercer's full list of cities by rank, click on the graphic above.

    Find this article at:
    http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/21/pf/c...ties/index.htm
    Who is Barinthus?

  • #2
    Here's the list.

    World's most and least expensive cities
    Source: Mercer Human Resource Consulting, 2005 Cost-of-Living Survey
    2005
    Code:
    Rank	City
    1	Tokyo, Japan
    2	Osaka, Japan
    3	London, United Kingdom
    4	Moscow, Russia
    5	Seoul, South Korea
    6	Geneva, Switzerland
    7	Zurich, Switzerland
    8	Copenhagen, Denmark
    9	Hong Kong, Hong Kong
    10	Oslo, Norway
    11	Milan, Italy
    12	Paris, France
    13	New York City, United States
    13	Dublin, Ireland
    15	St. Petersburg, Russia
    16	Vienna, Austria
    17	Rome, Italy
    18	Stockholm, Sweden
    19	Beijing, China
    20	Sydney, Australia
    20	Helsinki, Finland
    22	Douala, Cameroon
    22	Istanbul, Turkey
    24	Amsterdam, Netherlands
    24	Budapest, Hungary
    26	Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire
    27	Warsaw, Poland
    28	Prague, Czech Republic
    29	Taipei, Taiwan
    30	Shanghai, China
    31	Bratislava, Slovak Republic
    32	Düsseldorf, Germany
    33	Luxembourg, Luxembourg
    34	Singapore, Singapore
    34	Frankfurt, Germany
    36	Dakar, Senegal
    37	Munich, Germany
    38	Berlin, Germany
    39	Tel Aviv, Israel
    40	Glasgow, United Kingdom
    41	Athens, Greece
    41	Brussels, Belgium
    43	Barcelona, Spain
    44	Los Angeles, United States
    45	White Plains, United States
    46	Madrid, Spain
    47	Birmingham, United Kingdom
    48	Zagreb, Croatia
    49	Hamburg, Germany
    50	Hanoi, Vietnam
    50	San Francisco, United States
    52	Chicago, United States
    52	Beirut, Lebanon
    54	Riga, Latvia
    54	Kiev, Ukraine
    56	Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam
    57	Miami, United States
    58	Algiers, Algeria
    59	Casablanca, Morocco
    60	Tallin, Estonia
    61	Lyon, France
    61	Honolulu, United States
    63	Shenzhen, China
    64	Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
    65	Guangzhou, China
    66	Lisbon, Portugal
    67	Amman, Jordan
    68	Melbourne, Australia
    69	Auckland, New Zealand
    70	Houston, United States
    71	Jakarta, Indonesia
    72	Kuwait City, Kuwait
    73	Dubai, United Arab Emirates
    74	San Juan, Puerto Rico
    75	Almaty, Kazakhstan
    76	Wellington, New Zealand
    76	Ljubljana, Slovenia
    78	Washington, D.C., United States
    79	Boston, United States
    80	Morristown, United States
    81	Sofia, Bulgaria
    82	Toronto, Canada
    83	Atlanta, United States
    84	Brisbane, Australia
    85	Leipzig, Germany
    86	Manama, Bahrain
    87	Vancouver, Canada
    88	Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    89	Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
    89	Adelaide, Australia
    91	Vilnius, Lithuania
    91	Accra, Ghana
    93	Perth, Australia
    94	Denver, United States
    95	Mexico City, Mexico
    96	Lagos, Nigeria
    97	Cairo, Egypt
    98	Calgary, Canada
    99	Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
    100	Limassol, Cyprus
    101	Detroit, United States
    102	St. Louis, United States
    103	Seattle, United States
    103	Bucharest, Romania
    105	Kingston, Jamaica
    105	Mumbai, India
    107	Montreal, Canada
    108	Guatemala City, Guatemala
    109	Cleveland, United States
    110	New Delhi, India
    111	Pittsburgh, United States
    112	Portland (Ore.), United States
    113	Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
    114	Panama City, Panama
    115	Monterrey, Mexico
    116	Johannesburg, South Africa
    117	Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    118	Lima, Peru
    119	Nairobi, Kenya
    119	Winston-Salem, United States
    119	São Paulo, Brazil
    122	Ottawa, Canada
    123	Lusaka, Zambia
    124	Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    125	Bangkok, Thailand
    126	Tunis, Tunisia
    127	Dacca (Dhaka), Bangladesh
    128	Santiago, Chile
    129	Tehran, Iran
    130	Blantyre, Malawi
    131	Tianjin, China
    132	Colombo, Sri Lanka
    133	Bogotá, Colombia
    134	Harare, Zimbabwe
    135	San José, Costa Rica
    136	Karachi, Pakistan
    137	Quito, Ecuador
    138	Chennai (Madras), India
    138	Caracas, Venezuela
    140	Montevideo, Uruguay
    141	Bangalore, India
    142	Buenos Aires, Argentina
    143	Manila, Philippines
    144	Asunción, Paraguay
    Who is Barinthus?

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    • #3
      soCalifornians are always *****-ing about how expensive San Francisco
      we just betch loudest
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        Istanbul's #22? I thought it'd be cheaper - I read it somewhere that you could spend $5 a day there and still have a posh vacation.

        Also I'm surprised that Dubai didn't make it higher. From what I've heard, it's a pretty expensive place. I guess not to live but to visit.
        Who is Barinthus?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Japher


          we just betch loudest
          Heh probably too many of NoCalifornians being too stoned to do so.
          Who is Barinthus?

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          • #6
            european countries should be adjusted downward by 5.9% to take into account the euros gain in value against the US dollar (mercer doesnt do PPP)

            doing so, and comparing the 2004, you can see that many euro cities had only small increases in cost of living compared to USA (some even had negative increases)
            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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            • #7
              Heading north, Ottawa will provide you with the most bang for your buck in North America.
              Hell yeah!

              Actually I'm not too sure what kind of means these people are using to judge how expensive a city is. I know when I lived in Boston public transit, groceries/restaurants were qutie a bit cheaper than what I find here in Ottawa - and those account for large portions of my monthly expenses.

              Of course, housing is a lot cheaper so maybe it evens out. Still, I'm curious how they are determining these things.

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              • #8
                Considering some of those places I'm surprised Indianapolis isn't on the list. It ain't that expensive, but it's gotta be more than most of those 3rd world cities...
                I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                • #9
                  ya . . . methodology would be interesting. I don't know if they consider currency changes ( they probably convert to USD so this one may be covered) or even changes in the tax structure, how health care is paid for etc . . . one would think that all those things factor in as they would all be concerns of employees moving there
                  You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                  • #10
                    By the way, I'm renting a 4 bedroom townhouse with a basement and a rec room for $1,215 per month.

                    Do you guys consider that cheap?

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                    • #11
                      Considering some of those places I'm surprised Indianapolis isn't on the list.
                      Are you in Indianapolis?
                      Monkey!!!

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                      • #12
                        By the way, I'm renting a 4 bedroom townhouse with a basement and a rec room for $1,215 per month.

                        Do you guys consider that cheap?
                        Yes.
                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #13
                          Forget about New York, Chicago, or Denver.

                          The cheapest state to live in in the Union is still Arkansas.

                          Y'all better get in quick on this oppurtunity quick.
                          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Theben
                            Considering some of those places I'm surprised Indianapolis isn't on the list. It ain't that expensive, but it's gotta be more than most of those 3rd world cities...
                            Simply may not have been surveyed-- I mean the US has how many cities with a million or more people?

                            Although, Canadian cities were as follows

                            Toronto 82
                            vancouver 87
                            Calgary 98
                            Montreal 107
                            Ottawa 122

                            so they hit most Canadian places ( Edmonton is the only notable exception of larger places).
                            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                              By the way, I'm renting a 4 bedroom townhouse with a basement and a rec room for $1,215 per month.

                              Do you guys consider that cheap?

                              Calgary Downtown, that would be an incredible deal
                              Calgary- Nicer burbs, still a good deal
                              Calgary --Outer burbs or not so nice --yawn

                              Rural newfoundland-- What a ripoff
                              You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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