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Originally posted by DanS
Yeh, well. I'm not muslim and it's just an ordinary book to me.
Yeh, well. I'm not muslim and it's just an ordinary book to me.
And I respect other peoples beliefs (if they aren't infringing on my freedom)
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I'm not Christian or Muslim and I think they are both holy books.
And I respect other peoples beliefs (if they aren't infringing on my freedom)Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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Only if I'm the defendant.Originally posted by JohnT
Me, I'd swear on whatever the jurors thought was Holy.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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Here, when I was a juror, we had to swear to hear the evidence fairly or whatever and we could choose what book to swear on too.Originally posted by JohnT
Me, I'd swear on whatever the jurors thought was Holy.
Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kindsComment
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I respect others' belief, but I don't share it.
We're talking North Carolina here. The vast majority are christians. See JohnT's point.I'm not Christian or Muslim and I think they are both holy books.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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That's a rather unfair view. If a Muslim swears on the Koran, which HE views to be holy, how does that in any way diminish this seriousness? Considering the stink made over the Koran defiling in Gitmo, I'd give it at least as much weight as a Christian swearing on the Bible (and yes, when I see a Christian swearing on the Bible, it does mean something to me, in terms of his pledge to tell the truth).Originally posted by DanS
It's also to reinforce to the public the seriousness of what is about to be testified. If somebody swears on the Koran, that means nothing to me as a christian.
Of course, all that is me giving the benefit of the doubt that the particular Muslims/Christians involved are, in fact, honest in their devotion.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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Pardon me if I don't find it very respectful when one says that they find a Muslim swearing on a book he believes to be sacred "meaningless."Originally posted by DanS
I respect others' belief, but I don't share it.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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Because I as a juror can't fully participate in that ritual if I also don't take the Koran seriously. It would be about like a protestant going to mass, but not being able to take communion.That's a rather unfair view. If a Muslim swears on the Koran, which HE views to be holy, how does that in any way diminish this seriousness?
To reiterate, I think everybody should go to affirmations and that the complaint was valid.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Re: Re: Islamic Group Calls for Use of Koran to Take Oath
Bright, whose to say? Johnboy and Billy are certainly very, very, popular with a huge marketshare. In any case I was just interested in just how damn-hot it will be here today.Originally posted by Wezil
Bright radio personalities they are.
May I suggest a new station?
Their response was a surprise to me. Not that I thought they were liberals in any way, but simply that it makes more sense for a moslem to take an oath on the Koran than the Bible.
They also mentioned the christian not swearing on the Bible thing too - which I had not heard of previously.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.Comment
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A muslim swearing on the bible would make me think he's as serious as DanS swearing on the Koran.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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Islam should be kept as far away from our legal system as possible.Comment
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I think they were being vague as to "holy scripture" in order to accomodate Jews.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I would think a moslem taking an oath on the Bible would have slightly more weight than a christian taking an oath on the Koran since Christ is a prophet to moslems but not vice versa.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.Comment
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But would you view the Muslim swearing on the Bible any more seriously?Originally posted by DanS
Because I as a juror can't fully participate in that ritual if I also don't take the Koran seriously. It would be about like a protestant going to mass, but not being able to take communion.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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Don't assume that just because they are Christians that they are ignorant bigots though.Originally posted by DanS
I respect others' belief, but I don't share it.
We're talking North Carolina here. The vast majority are christians. See JohnT's point.
Some Christians are very nice tolerant people.
Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kindsComment
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I don't know how I would view it. Probably as a bastard oath.Originally posted by Boris Godunov
But would you view the Muslim swearing on the Bible any more seriously?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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