China is teh evil, OMFG!111!@

[DaShi]

Originally posted by GePap
And how is Hong Kong different from China itself?

They had a democratic system that seems highly popular and they are Chinese (yes, the system set up by the UK, but the participants are Chinese). I don;t see Chinatown's around the world as dens of undemocratic corruption, anymore than any other ethnic neighborhoods- that's one reaosn why I perhaps don;t buy the "culture" arguement heavily.

Actually, China-towns contain a lot of corruption and guanxi. Foreigners are generally excluded. Hong Kong is different having been under foreign rule, but some of it is still there. Come to mainland China. Look past the surface that is designed to decieve, you will see.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
That is bad health policy, not immoral health policy.

Bad health policy that disregards the danger to the entire world for short-term monetary benefits is immoral and evil.

Would you claim that SA's AIDs policy under the M'Beki government puts the whole world in danger by allowing more cases of a disaese that has already killed 20 Million plus? (as opposed to an unknown danger?)

Yes.

[techumseh]

Why the constant attack on China despite there being much worse regimes elsewhere? For the same reason that 20 years ago there were constant attacks on the Soviet Union despite there being much worse regimes elsewhere. Fear.

Fear that another power, with different values and interests will outcompete us. May supercede us. May defeat us. Yes, it's fear.

[Kuciwalker]

Why the constant attack on China despite there being much worse regimes elsewhere?

Why the constant attack on the US despite there being much worse regimes elswehwere?

Fear that another power, with different values and interests will outcompete us. May supercede us. May defeat us. Yes, it's fear.

There's also the whole nuke issue.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
In case you hadn't noticed, DaShi, there were two anti-China threads on the front page today. You made an anti-China post for no reason in an unrelated thread, and there are half a dozen, plus, Chinese flag monsters as avatars.

Che just showed how, shall we say, clueless he is.

[Kuciwalker]

I pointed that out

[Jaguar]

Hmm. Shows how much of the thread I read.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DaShi
Then you don't understand China.

Not that you do.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DaShi
I'll agree that some posters go to far. They do on both sides of the issue. But that's no reason to dismiss entire threads and points and label anyone who criticizes China as a "China-basher."

Some posters haven't shown that they are "equal opportunity bashers."

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by techumseh
Why the constant attack on China despite there being much worse regimes elsewhere? For the same reason that 20 years ago there were constant attacks on the Soviet Union despite there being much worse regimes elsewhere. Fear.

Fear that another power, with different values and interests will outcompete us. May supercede us. May defeat us. Yes, it's fear.

I think it's because the US needs a bogeyman.

The USSR had served well in that role. Then after it broke up, the PRC seemed a good substitute.

Lately, though, "terrorism" is the up and coming candidate. Or maybe it is "tyranny?"

[Tingkai]

There is the Anti-China crowd, and then there are the racists like Mindseye. He's constantly complaining that them Chinese just care about money and nothing else. For example, in another thread he wrote: "In mainland Chinese culture, personal profit takes primacy over public welfare. There really is no question on the matter."

Change Chinese to Jewish and he would sound like a typical anti-semitic.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by GePap
And how is Hong Kong different from China itself?

They had a democratic system that seems highly popular and they are Chinese (yes, the system set up by the UK, but the participants are Chinese). I don;t see Chinatown's around the world as dens of undemocratic corruption, anymore than any other ethnic neighborhoods- that's one reaosn why I perhaps don;t buy the "culture" arguement heavily.

Hong Kong doesn't have a completely democratic system, but your point is still valid.

The idea that Chinese culture is vastly diffferent from American culture is wrong. There are differences, of course, but there are differences between American and Canadian culture.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Tingkai
There is the Anti-China crowd, and then there are the racists like Mindseye. He's constantly complaining that them Chinese just care about money and nothing else. For example, in another thread he wrote: "In mainland Chinese culture, personal profit takes primacy over public welfare. There really is no question on the matter."

Unfortunately there are a nicely large number of Chinese who are like that.

Though I agree that such a trait shouldn't be generalised across the board.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Not that you do.

More than most people here actually. More than some Chinese, maybe. You may not know (or admit) that students in China are taught what Chinese people are like. They have books that tell them exactly how Chinese people think (ie "Chinese are very inward looking people") as well as how people from other countries think and behave. This is standard curriculum. You have posted things here that have shown you lack some understanding of Chinese. Things often bordering on racism, I might add.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Some posters haven't shown that they are "equal opportunity bashers."

Very few people criticize the left and the right. And it is ridiculous to accuse a poster of hating a country just because they post threads criticizing it. That's simply a strawman to avoid an issue some people want to discuss.

However, you seem to have misunderstood my meaning. I don't mean that a single person bashes on both sides. Rather that there are people who go a bit extreme to one side. Both sides have such posters.