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  • #31
    AP

    "BAGHDAD, Iraq - Senior members of a Shiite-dominated committee drafting Iraq's new constitution reached a compromise Thursday with Sunni Arab groups on the number of representatives the minority will have on the body drafting the charter.

    The agreement broke weeks of deadlock between the 55-member committee and Sunni Arabs over the size of their representation.

    The stalemate had threatened to derail Iraq's political process as it was about to enter its final stretch, with two key nationwide votes later this year — a constitutional referendum and a general election.

    Under the deal, 15 Sunni Arabs would join two members of the minority already sitting on the committee. An additional 10 Sunni Arabs would join, but only in an advisory capacity.

    News of the deal was announced by two lawmakers who sit on the committee — Shiite Bahaa al-Aaraji and Sunni Arab Adnan al-Janabi. Both have led contacts with the Sunni Arab community over the size of their participation in the constitutional process.

    They also attended a meeting Thursday with 70 representatives of the Sunni community over the issue.

    The United States and the European Union have called for the inclusion of the Sunni Arabs in the drafting of the constitution to ensure the credibility and success of the process."
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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    • #32
      Friedman isn't too bad, and calling him Center-Left and a Clinton Democrat (didn't that used to be called moderate Republican ) isn't too far off the mark. Yes he repeats the obvious stuff, however that is sadly lacking in many columns (i.e. other columnists who make moronic assertions, aka Cal Thomas et al). When you look at the majority of syndicated columns out there he's not too bad. He generally doesn't make moronic statments, and even when he is wrong he generally has a good series of reasons which he is willing to discuss intelligently. Sort of like LoTM.
      The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
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      • #33
        Originally posted by DanS
        Tom Friedman is a lefty, AFAIK.
        Officially, Freidman is a liberal. If you ever read his work though, he's either a very right-wing liberal or a very left-wing conservative. He has been exceedingly pro-Bush on this war since before it started. He wanted a war about which America could feel proud again. Whenever I read Freidman, I wonder how he can get away with calling himself a liberal, but that's really the liberals problem.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by shawnmmcc
          Friedman isn't too bad, and calling him Center-Left and a Clinton Democrat (didn't that used to be called moderate Republican ) isn't too far off the mark. Yes he repeats the obvious stuff, however that is sadly lacking in many columns (i.e. other columnists who make moronic assertions, aka Cal Thomas et al). When you look at the majority of syndicated columns out there he's not too bad. He generally doesn't make moronic statments, and even when he is wrong he generally has a good series of reasons which he is willing to discuss intelligently. Sort of like LoTM.
          im really quite honored, both by the specifics, and by the general comparison to Mr. Friedman.
          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #35
            Maybe it is too late, but before we give up on Iraq, why not actually try to do it right? Double the American boots on the ground and redouble the diplomatic effort to bring in those Sunnis who want to be part of the process and fight to the death those who don't.
            Why? Why are we over there on land they own trying to kill them for not wanting Kurds and/or Shiites making their decisions? Imagine that, we want to impose rulers upon them and they are fighting us? Can you imagine the US going in and killing Kurds and Shiites for resisting Saddam's rule? Well, we did give the bastard alot of help back when he was at his bloodiest.

            There was and is only 1 solution to Iraq - abolish it as a country. The damn Brits (God, how many times do we see these problems stemming from colonial Europe) fabricated a country out of 3 peoples so the strife would distract them away from the Brits and the oil. Partition the damn country into Turdistan, Sunnyland, and
            Sh!ttyland and tell them we'll come in and whoop 'em if they invade each other. Had we told Saddam what would happen if he invaded his neighbors, we wouldn't be in this mess.

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            • #36
              Turdistan, Sunnyland, and Sh!ttyland


              I agree. Much h8 to artifical borders.
              "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
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              • #37
                Btw, its weird how Friedman is becoming more pessimistic and I'm more optimistic. I think those people, inspite of their anger over the past are so tired of violence they will work this out. I just wonder if the insurgency would die down faster if we left after an Iraqi army is in place. But I also suspect many of the rulers in this country want Iraq for semi-permanent bases for future wars with Iran and maybe Syria. Got make the world safe for our Jewish brothers

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                • #38
                  Oops, that second post doesn't count as my 1 solution, just a better mess than we see now.

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                  • #39
                    If that NY Press review is accurate, Friedman's book looks positively putrid. Ugh! If he writes as bad throughout as he does in their cited selections, it's amazing to me anyone would read his drivel at all.
                    Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by lord of the mark


                      im really quite honored, both by the specifics, and by the general comparison to Mr. Friedman.
                      It's your relentless optimism. That's what made me laugh.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                        If that NY Press review is accurate, Friedman's book looks positively putrid. Ugh! If he writes as bad throughout as he does in their cited selections, it's amazing to me anyone would read his drivel at all.
                        He does. I haven't read the new one, but I subjected myself to The Lexus and the Olive Tree when I was preparing for the Foreign Service exam. I don't know which I resent more: paying for it, or devoting 10-15 hours of my life to reading it. Either way, what a freaking waste. My undergraduates (well, a few of them) wrote more insightful and readable stuff.
                        "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Oerdin
                          The administration still hasn't gotten serious about Vietnamisation... er, Iraqisation. The Iraqi Army is still around 50k last I heard where as five years ago it was around 1 million. Sure, those 1 million weren't worth much but it supplied a lot of jobs and it kept people loyal to the government. Hiring a 500k Army would soak up a lot of pissed off unemployed people and it would ally an aweful lot of tribes with the central government.

                          That would cost money and would be intelligent though so I'm sure Bush won't do it.
                          I agree 100%
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Agathon
                            He's a fatuous oaf. He shouldn't be writing for The New York Times. He should be somewhere more suited to fatuous oafs, like the ACS Off Topic Forum.
                            ah - its role reversal you're really after

                            there, there, one day you might be a syndicated columnist too
                            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


                              ah - its role reversal you're really after

                              there, there, one day you might be a syndicated columnist too
                              I'd rather die than be a journalist.

                              A journalist is someone with no expertise who spends his days writing about things that require expertise to understand them.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #45
                                I believe you, I really do
                                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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