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    Defense officials from Russia and the United States last week helped block a new demand for an international probe into the Uzbekistan government's shooting of hundreds of protesters last month, according to U.S. and diplomatic officials.

    British and other European officials had pushed to include language calling for an independent investigation in a communique issued by defense ministers of NATO countries and Russia after a daylong meeting in Brussels on Thursday. But the joint communique merely stated that "issues of security and stability in Central Asia, including Uzbekistan," had been discussed.


    The outcome obscured an internal U.S. dispute over whether NATO ministers should raise the May 13 shootings in Andijan at the risk of provoking Uzbekistan to cut off U.S. access to a military air base on its territory.

    The communique's wording was worked out after what several knowledgeable sources called a vigorous debate in Brussels between U.S. defense officials, who emphasized the importance of the base, and others, including State Department representatives at NATO headquarters, who favored language calling for a transparent, independent and international probe into the killings of Uzbekistan civilians by police and soldiers.

    State and Defense department spokesmen, asked to comment about the debate, said that Washington has one policy and that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld -- at the ministerial meeting -- verbally endorsed previous statements about the incident by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and President Bush.

    Other officials said the disagreements between Defense and State officials reflect a continuing rift in the administration over how to handle a breach of human rights that has come under sharp criticism by the State Department, the European Union and some U.S. lawmakers.

    Rice has said publicly that international involvement in an inquiry into the killings in Andijan is essential, and she has declined an Uzbek invitation for Washington to send observers to a commission of inquiry controlled by the parliament. Three U.S. officials said Uzbek President Islam Karimov has retaliated against her criticism by recently curtailing certain U.S. military flights into the air base at Karshi-Khanabad, in the country's southeast. The U.S. military considers the base a vital logistics hub in its anti-terrorism efforts.

    Four sources familiar with a private discussion among the ministers on Thursday said that the Defense Department's stance on the Brussels communique's language placed it in roughly the same camp as the Russians -- but for different reasons. The Russian position, as spelled out by Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov in statements before and after the ministerial meeting, is that the incident, although alarming, was "inspired" by Afghanistan.

    Ivanov said it is NATO's responsibility to control terrorism there more aggressively, but added: "We do not want to . . . put any extraordinary pressure on anybody" about the shootings.

    The Defense Department position, articulated before the meeting began by Mira Ricardel, the acting assistant secretary for international security policy, was that "the NATO-Russia communique may not be the most appropriate place" to demand an international inquiry into the massacre, she confirmed in a telephone interview. "It was not a question of the policy, which was clear, but whether the venue for that was best" because of what she described as a routine focus at NATO-Russian meetings on strictly military issues. Another official privy to the deliberations described her opposition to mentioning the word "investigation" as unequivocal.

    The British view was that the communique was an ideal venue for making the demand, since Uzbekistan prizes its existing military links to NATO and a call by defense ministers would carry substantial weight. One U.S. official said Britain was prepared for a time to hold up the communique if the language was not included.

    Lawrence T. Di Rita, a Pentagon spokesman and Rumsfeld special assistant, said Rumsfeld was not told of the proposed communique language until he began consultations with aides and other ministers Thursday morning. By then, according to accounts from two other officials, Russia had indicated its position on the communique might be flexible enough to include the British language calling for an independent international probe.

    Accounts of the ensuing debate among U.S. officials are not perfectly consistent. One official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the matter, said Rumsfeld caused great surprise by saying -- after being told in this discussion that the British language was consistent with stated U.S. policy and should be embraced -- that he was unaware of the policy, had not participated in meetings about it and did not want to press for its inclusion in the communique.

    According to Di Rita's account, Rumsfeld was merely questioning how this policy had previously been expressed because he had not attended any meeting of senior policymakers in which it was approved. Later, Di Rita said, Rumsfeld "grew to understand" that the State Department had already publicly articulated this position. But "this is not something that he had been involved in," Di Rita said of Rumsfeld.

    "At no point did the secretary challenge U.S. policy. He was only trying to understand it" by asking questions that others may have misinterpreted as an expression of disagreement, Di Rita said. If there was tension, a senior defense official said, it was between supporting "democracy in Uzbekistan" and "democracy in Afghanistan."

    At the private general meeting later that day of all NATO alliance ministers, plus Ivanov, Rumsfeld's remarks on the issue emphasized the risks of provoking Uzbekistan, according to four sources familiar with his statements. Rumsfeld said the ministers needed to know that the Uzbekistan situation had direct implications on NATO operations in the region. He mentioned the tons of humanitarian aid that pass through the Karshi-Khanabad air base and warned that alternatives to the base would be more difficult and expensive.

    It was, Di Rita said, "a simple assertion that a further curtailment of operations would have an impact on the alliance's activities."

    NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer on Thursday pinned responsibility for the failure to call for an international inquiry on Russia. "I cannot say we agree on all elements because we do not agree," he said at a news conference in Brussels. "On . . . the point of NATO joining the international chorus for an independent international inquiry . . . that is not the Russian position."

    But a senior diplomat in Washington said that "there's clearly inter-agency tension over Uzbekistan. . . . The State Department certainly seems to be extremely cool on Karimov," while the Pentagon wants to avoid upsetting the Uzbekistan government.

    A senior State Department official, who called The Washington Post at the Defense Department's request, denied any "split of views." But other government officials depicted this week's spat over the communique as a continuation of frictions that erupted last summer, when then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell would not certify that Uzbekistan had met its human rights obligations. The decision led to a cutoff of $18 million for U.S. training for Uzbekistan's military forces.

    Weeks later, Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited Tashkent, the Uzbek capital, and criticized that decision as "very shortsighted"; he also announced that the United States would give $21 million for another purpose -- bioterrorism defense.

    More recently, the senior State Department official confirmed, State and Defense officials disagreed about a cable addressing Uzbekistan's continued participation in the military's Partnership for Peace program. After the Andijan massacre, the State Department had proposed a blanket suspension of cooperation. But the Defense Department recommended a case-by-case review of cooperative programs -- the position that prevailed.

    "It's like the dilemma we have in the democracy agenda in many places. We have to both press the democracy agenda and still, for example, cooperate when we need to on the war on terror," another senior U.S. official said. "To start pulling away in that . . . [Partnership for Peace] forum from Uzbekistan would not have been smart. . . . We came up with a middle ground."

    Already, flights are being diverted from Karshi-Khanabad to other bases in the region, a military official said. The government took the same step after the cutoff of U.S. training funds last year. That is Karimov's method of operation, a senior U.S. official said. "This is how he plays the game. . . . We want to get back the ability to use that base fully."

    There are stirrings of dissent on Capitol Hill about placing access to the air base at the center of U.S. policy, however. Six senators warned Rumsfeld and Rice in a letter last week that "in the aftermath of the Andijan massacre, America's relationship with Uzbekistan cannot remain unchanged."

    The senators -- Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), Mike DeWine (R-Ohio), John McCain (R-Ariz.), John E. Sununu (R-N.H.), Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) -- added that "we believe that the United States must be careful about being too closely associated with a government that has killed hundreds of demonstrators and refused international calls for a transparent investigation." They suggested that the administration explore alternative basing arrangements "in Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and elsewhere in the region" to give Washington more flexibility.

    The European parliament, in a statement Thursday, went further, calling on Washington to halt negotiations with Uzbekistan over long-term access to the base and urging Uzbek authorities "to bring those responsible for the massacre in Andijan to trial."

    Last week, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said: "We are calling for a credible, transparent and independent investigation into the Andijan tragedy." Different language has been used by Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman. "The United States has repeatedly urged Uzbekistan to undertake a full and transparent inquiry into the Andijan incident," he said, but did not specifically mention an international role.




    It's interesting that despite the switch of Powell to Rice, the Pentagon is still overruling State.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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    Why do you hate America and freedom?
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #3
      Re: US & Russia block NATO probe into Uzbek Massacre

      Originally posted by Ramo
      It's interesting that despite the switch of Powell to Rice, the Pentagon is still overruling State.
      Why? The Pentagon and their allies in Cheney's office have always had the greater pull. Why would the appointment of a yes woman (no matter how close to Bush she is) change that?
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      • #4
        Was that a rhetorical question?
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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        • #5
          It's why I hate the war on terror. We now are supporting the government (read strong-arm dictatorship) in Uzbekistan because they helped us in Afghanistan. When Muslim militants overthrow the government, nobody in the Pentagon will wonder maybe, just maybe, like in Iran, we helped create the situation that created another intolerant Muslim state which hates us - because our ally gunned down their people in the early stages.
          The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
          And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
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          • #6
            Great, now that the Cold War has been over, United States need to find SOME other justification and rationalization for supporting dictatorships and other types of repressive regimes.
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #7
              I'm having trouble keeping this straight. The State Department, the bedrock of realist foreign policy, is calling for the investigation, while the Defense Department, the bedrock of the neocons of late, is calling for sweeping it under the carpet.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MrFun
                Great, now that the Cold War has been over, United States need to find SOME other justification and rationalization for supporting dictatorships and other types of repressive regimes.
                Why yes of course. No matter what, they'll always find a reason. Everybody knows that by now
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by shawnmmcc
                  It's why I hate the war on terror. We now are supporting the government (read strong-arm dictatorship) in Uzbekistan because they helped us in Afghanistan. When Muslim militants overthrow the government, nobody in the Pentagon will wonder maybe, just maybe, like in Iran, we helped create the situation that created another intolerant Muslim state which hates us - because our ally gunned down their people in the early stages.
                  Wake me when something changes about this dogma of American foreign policy.
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                  • #10
                    Ramo, I dont know that DoD is actually overrulling State. Technically since this was an Defense ministers meeting, they had the ability to do what they wanted. Rather Id say its defiance of State. I cant make sense of the politics of it. All indications are that Condi has the Presidents ear the way Powell did not, which would make this a very dumb move on Rummys part.

                    Possibilities
                    1. The conflict is illusory - State wanted to make nice to Karimov also, and this leak was an attempt to hide that
                    2. Rice is far less influential than some of us thought
                    3. This was done carelessly, without thinking it through, and DoD will retreat.
                    4. Rummy has completely lost his political touch, and is headed for a fall.
                    5. Rummy expects to be leaving soon anyway, and doesnt really care.


                    DanS - Some of us have long questioned in Rummy is a true neocon, much less a democracy promoter. Those guys were Feith and Wolfie - and as to democracy promotion, really only Wolfie. Wolfie is at the World Bank, and Feith has "gone to spend more time with his family". Rummy himself is more the Jacksonian than the neocon, I think. Why Bill Krystol called for his head awhile back. State OTOH, really seems to have been taken in hand by Rice, who seems more keen on demo promotion than had been thought - though she goes about it somewhat differently than the neocons.
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                    • #11
                      I agree that Rummy's no neocon. I never misconstrued him to be a neocon.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        Of course, I've never thought that human rights was high on Defense's list of priorities.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ramo
                          Of course, I've never thought that human rights was high on Defense's list of priorities.
                          It was high on Wolfie's list, and still is.
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lord of the mark
                            It was high on Wolfie's list, and still is.
                            All those thousands of dead Iraqis won't agree.
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                            • #15
                              Dead people can vote -- at least, I hear that they can do that in Chicago, so why not in Iraq?
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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