China cracks down on house churches

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MrFun
Right -- the purpose of sodomy laws were enacted as a means to gather intelligence rather than legislating religious morality.

Erm, that's not at all what he was saying. Reread.

But it's irrelevant anyway!

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MrFun
I'm referring to religions whose pratices are within the confines of justifiable, fair laws that allow for legitimate expression of religion.

I can agree with that, though it is sometimes hard to tell one way or another.

[:) Smiley]

It's not just small cults...

Southern Baptists
The Taliban

China has probably the lowest rates of religious violence of any developing nation - let's keep it that way.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Erm, that's not at all what he was saying. Reread.

But it's irrelevant anyway!

"The Constitutional "right to privacy" involves the legality of evidence collected by intrusive means: hearsay, electronic eavesdropping, certain forms of interrogation, etc."

I read this as activities that go with intelligence gathering. But if I'm mistaken or not, as you say, it's irrelevant.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I can agree with that, though it is sometimes hard to tell one way or another.

Yeah, when cult members pratice pedophilia or consume hallugenic drugs it's hard to tell if these acts are illegal.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Smiley
China has probably the lowest rates of religious violence of any developing nation - let's keep it that way.

Freedom is a bad thing isn't it.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MrFun
"The Constitutional "right to privacy" involves the legality of evidence collected by intrusive means: hearsay, electronic eavesdropping, certain forms of interrogation, etc."

Riiiight, so he's saying, ergo, the right to privacy doesn't apply to sex...

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Freedom is a bad thing isn't it.

Religious freedom + democracy = George W. Bush.

[MrFun]

So two police officers can break into your house while you're going at it with someone else without it being a violation of your right to privacy because it doesn't apply to sex?

[DinoDoc]

Like I said, you don't really believe in freedom of any sort really given your response and would quite likely find yourself better suited to the confines of the PRC rather than Berkeley.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MrFun
So two police officers can break into your house while you're going at it with someone else without it being a violation of your right to privacy because it doesn't apply to sex?

Police can't break into your house without a warrant for any reason (unless they have good cause to suspect someone is in immediate harm).

No, the point is that he thinks anti-sodomy laws are constitutional because he doesn't see there being a right to privacy for sex acts inferred by the constitution.

And yes, it's still totally irrelevant to this thread.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Police can't break into your house without a warrant for any reason (unless they have good cause to suspect someone is in immediate harm).

No, the point is that he thinks anti-sodomy laws are constitutional because he doesn't see there being a right to privacy for sex acts inferred by the constitution.

And yes, it's still totally irrelevant to this thread.

I'm well aware of the whole warrant idea -- I should have included that in my post.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Smiley


Religious freedom + democracy = George W. Bush.

I don't think you're being serious with this comment of yours -- I hope you're just trolling.

[:) Smiley]

Sure there are other factors such as vast right wing conspiracies and oil companies, but when you get to the core of it, its because not everyone benefits from the transition from traditional heirarchical society to a more egalitarian modern society.

Keepign tabs on religion and politics is an effective way of navigating that early stage of development. The Communist Party is not an aristocracy that one needs to be born into; with the exception of North Korea there is no dynastic succession.

[DaShi]

Not yet. It's easy for it to become that way, since the current leader chooses the next.