You probably should have read the responses to his post...
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MtG, you seem to acknowledge, then, that Polk did offer to buy the California, etc., and to settle the issue of the disputed territory peacefully before the Mexicans invaded. You must think Polk a fool for not preparing for war given the Mexican position that if Texas was annexed there would be war.
As to whether the outcome was a forseeable victory by the US, given our performance in the war of 1812, I don't think our victory was all that assured.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Thanks, MtG, I always have to break out my books on the Mexican-American War, as I don't have everything memorized in date order.The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
We need to have our history books updated. The atrocities against Natives, Mexicans, and in the Phillipines should be explained in more detail.
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Originally posted by Odin
Unfortunately, a school board wouln't dare put it in lest they piss of conservatives who will start calling said school board America-haters by even contemplating that the great US of A was BAD sometimes.
edit. I said all about. In reality, there was only enough time to go over even important things such as the Civil War very briefly. Started with the revolution went through the war of 1812 and the Mexican War. From there covered the civil war through reconstruction all the same chapter. Visited the Spanish American war and went on through the 20s. There just wasn't much time to stop and talk about how horrible we are. Don't even ask about world history in high school. Mrs. Tinkle wasn't a propaganda distributer hired by the goverment to indoctrinate teens to be mindless citizens, She was a middle aged woman tring to compress years of American history into a 50 minute class after lunch.Last edited by Sprayber; June 17, 2005, 14:42.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
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Originally posted by Ned
MtG, you seem to acknowledge, then, that Polk did offer to buy the California, etc., and to settle the issue of the disputed territory peacefully before the Mexicans invaded. You must think Polk a fool for not preparing for war given the Mexican position that if Texas was annexed there would be war.
As to whether the outcome was a forseeable victory by the US, given our performance in the war of 1812, I don't think our victory was all that assured.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I think Odin also needs to read the other posts in this threads... since his whinge is demonstrably false.
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Originally posted by Odin
I was talking about things like the war with Mexico, which is too often gloried as "Us saving Texans from the evil Mexican opressors" when reality was the settlers violated thier promises they gave to the mexican government for the right to setle there. It had more to do with protecting Anglo-Texan slaveowners than anything else.
Two Mexican states revolted. Texas and one other. Santa Ana dealth with the other state first, then turned his eyes on Texas. When he was defeated, he conceded Texas independence and the border at the Rio Grande. However, this "treaty" was not approved by the Mexican legislature, prolonging the war until the US ended it.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Odin
I was talking about things like the war with Mexico, which is too often gloried as "Us saving Texans from the evil Mexican opressors" when reality was the settlers violated thier promises they gave to the mexican government for the right to setle there. It had more to do with protecting Anglo-Texan slaveowners than anything else.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
And that's one of the things previous posts have mentioned are taught about in high school...http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Ned
Hah, the original war had nothing to do with any "violation" of promises, Odin. It had to do with what we now call "States Rights." Santa Ana changed the constitution from one patterned along the lines of the US to one patterned along the lines of Spain. This reduced Texas from a state to an adiministrative province.
Two Mexican states revolted. Texas and one other. Santa Ana dealth with the other state first, then turned his eyes on Texas. When he was defeated, he conceded Texas independence and the border at the Rio Grande. However, this "treaty" was not approved by the Mexican legislature, prolonging the war until the US ended it.Last edited by Dr Strangelove; June 17, 2005, 19:59."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!
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I have to agree with some others in here -- the education of American history has significantly improved.
The kind of history that Odin and others are lambasting had only been taught with older generations, going back before the changes were made.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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