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  • Do you think VERY VERY VERY harsh penalties will stop corporate offenders?

    Inspired by another thread......

    I still say that Ken Lay should be violently executed by stock owners and employees of enron. Give em all a raffle ticket... the 10 winners execute him in a style they like(assuming after a great deal of torture) on CSPAN 2. Every other executive at Enron when this happened have all their property taken and given to the stock holders and employees they cheated, their American citizenship revoked, they should then be sterilized and dropped naked in a third world country whose language they do not speak(I recommend east Asia or sub sahara Africa for the likeliness they could catch a deadly disease-any communist nation works as well). Anyone else implicated in this at a lower level for collaboration-mandatory 10 year jail sentence.

    OH and any politicians who knew about this, same idea for torture/execute raffle as above except in this instance, the constituents of that individual are entered(so the whole country for the president... their district for a congressman etc). I recommend a longer torture period(on prime time) for the politicians since they are supposed to serve US and not the stockholders.


    I actually DO NOT support the death penalty..... for violent crimes. I am against abortion in all instances except rape or incest(though I am unsure how the law should handle it). I am a very NON violent guy. I am anti death penalty and anti murder!(pro life)

    Executing violent criminals is not a detriment and is not acceptable. No one does less violent crimes because of the death penalty. It is revenge and absolutley NOTHING else-it does nothing but end a life for no ones gain.

    WHITE COLOR criminals however are another story. No one ever accidentally defrauded the citizens of the united states and their stock holders-it is a pre-meditated and intentional act. I support the death penalty and punishments that violate the constitution for corporate offenders at the level of the enron scandle. It is an act of UTTER malice and greed and one that shows COMPLETE disregard for the worth of another human being.

    These monsters are worse then our worst violent criminals, the scale of their greed has hurt more people then the Oklahoma city bomber-who is likley the single American who has commited the most murders. For good or ill massive corporations are now a vital part of the way our society functions and the people at the highest level of corporate power have power that far surpasses our elected officials. They are, completely unchecked and the levels of filth they delve into are unacceptable.

    *THAT* will send a message, let these *expletives* who think they are beyond all justice know that if they are caught, their lives are effectively over(or actually, over).

    #### em all.



    If this ever got into law(which of course is impossible), do you think corporate fraud would continue to the near universal scale that it does today?
    Last edited by Vesayen; June 8, 2005, 09:55.

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    Do you think VERY VERY VERY harsh penalties will stop corporate offenders?

    No.

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    • #3
      We need to make a Soviet Style Example of a few corporations before the fraud will stop (for a while at least). The Soviets used to announce Comrade So & So was a traitor then they'd have everyone assemble for the execution and shoot comrade so & so in front of everyone. The result is people started to pay more attention to the party's directives.

      Many corporations are still playing accounting games instead of following the intent of hte law. We need a few examples to be made.
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        • #5
          No. They'll need to add at least two more VERYs to that.
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          • #6
            I am perscribing execution after exetended public torture, how huch more "very" can you get? Beat them to death with baby seals?

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            • #7
              Corruption is punishable by death in China but it still happens. Enforcement is what matters.
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              • #8
                You have the most annoying thread titles, period.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vesayen
                  I am perscribing execution after exetended public torture, how huch more "very" can you get? Beat them to death with baby seals?
                  "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Smiley
                    Corruption is punishable by death in China but it still happens.
                    Not corporate ones though. At least not for private corporations.
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                    • #11
                      I don't think executing them would help.

                      What should be done is to take away all the ill-gotten gain, and and a fine that is several times that. Before the fine is paid, they can't own a house, can't own a car, can't be a senior executive or in a position that has anything to do with finance, and can't be a director. Something like that.
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                      • #12
                        The revocation and liquidation of 80-90% of their assests should do the trick.

                        (They can keep that 10-20%, and it would still be sizeable).

                        The liquidation of their assests then go toward lowering the national debt. That way, their money goes to something good...or the funds go to social programs and funding of our various governmental departments.





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                        • #13
                          Rapid and early punishment is a greater deterrent than extreme punishment. This means much better auditing of corporate followed by quick legal action and conviction followed by punishment that will hurt, probably a 12 month jail term and confiscation of all assets

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by trev
                            Rapid and early punishment is a greater deterrent than extreme punishment.
                            Some in my area would like to see the stock and the whipping post make a comeback (haven't been used here in almost 200 years).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                              I don't think executing them would help.
                              Fun though.

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