The Srebrenica video

[chequita guevara]

Again, what part of Kosovo is Srebrenica in, mindseye?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by BeBro
The Bosnian Serbs already admitted a number of over 7000 victims officially:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3743176.stm

Good, finally something other than conjecture.

[pchang]

Always have your sunglasses

[chequita guevara]

You wanna try making some sense?

[pchang]

If the atrocities think you can't see them, they think they can't see you. If anything less than counting the bodies is conjecture to you, then the Serb admissions are just the floor to start the conjecture.

[chequita guevara]

Western sources during the wars were largely based on lies and conjecture. Until I see some kind of proof, I can't make any assumptions that anyone is telling the truth. Bodies = truth. The Serb admissions are based on something more than i heard from this refugee that something happened in this town, but I wasn't there and heard it from someone else.

The truth is, the Serbs were the largest recipient of ethnic cleansing during the wars, over a million people being uprooted from their homes, some of them multiple times.

Did you know there were two Bosniak armies, one fighting for the Islamicist government and one fighting to keep Bosnia part of Yugoslavia? Did you know that just before the massacre in Srebrenica, Croat forces massacred a village nearby in which several hundred Serbs were killed? But all this was ignored for the proper message, the Serbs are murdering demons who deserve everything bad that happens to them.

They still have yet to uncover evidence of genocide in Kosovo, which was an entirely different and seperate war from the one in Bosnia!!!

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Quick, which nationality/ethnic group suffered the largest amount of ethnic cleansing in the Yugoslav civil wars?

Yes, that excuses shelling Sarajevo and killing unarmed civilians, invading Croatia and Slovenia and bombing Dubrovnik.

Moral: don't start a fight you can't win, and don't leave Serbs hostages to fortune elsewhere.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Quick, which nationality/ethnic group suffered the largest amount of ethnic cleansing in the Yugoslav civil wars?

Serbs of Kosovo through bombing and "peacekeeping". If it wasn't intentional then it was damn stupid.

[Bereta_Eder]

In that war the "West" lost for ever whatever remained of its credibility.

[Bereta_Eder]

Not that I condone things done by milosevic either. But CIA and the british equivalant training UCK long before anything started, that smells rotten from miles away. Again not condoniong the way it was handled by Milosevic or the greek blind POV or the west's "demonizing till they bleed" POV.
But as I said or those who decide these things are beyond comprehencion stupid (and didnt follow the greek gov. advice which at that point was justified to a large extend by the aftermath) or that was intentional. There are strong indications that the "west" put is little finger again in the developments in the region. nothing new of course.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Yes, that excuses shelling Sarajevo

Sarajevo was shelled by the Bosnian government, not the Serbs. The most infamous incident wasn't even real, but entirely staged, where the bodies only showed up a half an hour after the Bosnian shell exploded in the Sarajevo marketplace (which had been empty at the time). Let's not forget that Izebegovic was a Nazi in his youth.

and killing unarmed civilians,

Done by all sides.

invading Croatia and Slovenia

At first, the Yugoslav government did not recognize the legitimacy of the secessions, since the governments in Slovenia and Croatia did not put the secession up for referendum. The "invasion" of Slovenia lasted a mere few weeks before Yugoslavia decided to let go. Considering that Croatians, Macedonians, and Bosnians were all part of the Yugoslav army, you can't lay the fighting in Slovenia at the feet of the Serbs.

In Croatia, the government was seized by unreconstructed fascists who immediately set out to take the property of Serbs, Jews, Muslims, Roma, etc. It's hard to blame Yugoslavia for defending the rights of Croatia's minorities.

Furthermore, if we can respect that Croatia has the right to secede from Yugoslavia, we must also respect the right of those parts of Croatia that don't want to leave Yugoslavia to secede from Croatia and Bosnia.

But that interfere's with the message of the big bad Serbs.

and bombing Dubrovnik.

Both sides bombed Dubrovnik.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by molly bloom
Yes, that excuses shelling Sarajevo

Sarajevo was shelled by the Bosnian government, not the Serbs.

Sorry, but is this a joke ?

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/bosnia3/

Have a good long hard read.

[chequita guevara]

HRW is a joke of an organization.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
HRW is a joke of an organization.

It's doing a better job than you.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yeah, the UN sure does suck at distributing charity and helping the poor of the world get vaccinated . . . and, oh wait, no they don't. Just cuz the UN doesn't suck Bush's cheney doesn't mean it's useless.

The same could be (and is in many cases) performed by competent NGO's. If this is all they are good for then they are redundant.