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  • #31
    By the second inaugural
    You know, I'm taking a look at the second inaugural and I don't see where Bush indicates that the whole world should emulate us. In pertinent part...

    This is not primarily the task of arms, though we will defend ourselves and our friends by force of arms when necessary. Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen, and defended by citizens, and sustained by the rule of law and the protection of minorities. And when the soul of a nation finally speaks, the institutions that arise may reflect customs and traditions very different from our own.

    America will not impose our own style of government on the unwilling. Our goal, instead, is to help others find their own voice, attain their own freedom and make their own way.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #32
      Originally posted by DanS
      So, is this losing control or isn't it, Rufus? Don't give me the same BS answer you gave above.
      It is if the guys were acting on their own, without authority from above. That's why i said "at best."

      It's not if they were acting with the full knowledge of their superiors. That's what I called "at worst."

      I have no idea which it was, which is why I gave a range of options. I'd bet the administration will eventually settle for few-bad-apples, which means that the authorities aren't controlling the grunts. That will excuse the Bushies from blame while further tarnishing teh reputation of the military, which is par for the course with the Bushies.
      "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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      • #33
        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
        That DanS can still "seriously" claim that the Iraq war was justified because of WMDs despite all the contrary evidence is just amazing.
        You are misreading what I wrote. That was the justification used. The justification wasn't that everybody should emulate us.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #34
          I think I should pee on a copy of the Sears' catalogue.
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #35
            It is if the guys were acting on their own, without authority from above. That's why i said "at best."
            It seems as if in your perfectly controlled military, nobody makes mistakes and is punished for it.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


              This isn't about the act itself. It's about:

              1) The fact that we've justified out little overseas adventures based on the idea that we're a model for the rest of the world to emulate. We're still better than the Islamic fundamentalists but, really, how much a challenge is that?

              2) The fact that the Bush administration has lied its ass off about nearly every aspect of its splendid little war.



              It just boggles my mind how people still don't get it.

              I mean what has happened over the last 4 years is easy as hell for anyone to see. Yet still the spin goes on.

              Bush's declaration the other day of people "who hate America" (his EXACT words) has to be the worst self-parody of the situation that has ever occured.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DanS


                It seems as if in your perfectly controlled military, nobody makes mistakes and is punished for it.
                And in your world that forgives this administration everything, pissing on the Koran when we're trying to win hearts and minds in the Muslim world is merely a mistake. I like my world better.
                "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                • #38
                  Referring to Amnesty International, Bush said: "It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of and the allegations by people that were held in detention, people who hate America, people who have been trained in some instances to disassemble, that means not to tell the truth."



                  what a ********.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #39
                    Who's really pissing on the Koran and profaning it's content? The people beheading prisoners on tape and killing people in mosques in it's name or us?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #40
                      RTF: Point of information, if I may. Have you ever served in the military? I have not, and so it's somewhat difficult to judge what is out of control and what is normal disciplinary material. This looks like normal disciplinary material to me.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DanS
                        This is "losing control of its military grunts"?
                        Yeah, I thought that was funny as well. You gotta at least give RTF props for an imaginative justification though, even if it is complete BS.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Agathon
                          Referring to Amnesty International, Bush said: "It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of and the allegations by people that were held in detention, people who hate America, people who have been trained in some instances to disassemble, that means not to tell the truth."



                          what a ********.
                          My mouth dropped when I heard that speech, I was like is this for real????
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            RTF: Point of information, if I may. Have you ever served in the military? I have not, and so it's somewhat difficult to judge what is out of control and what is normal disciplinary material. This looks like normal disciplinary material to me.
                            When you setup a prison on foreign territory and waive the Geneva Conventions, then have an official memo on how to torture people without getting in trouble, that sets up the enviornment for crap like this to go down.


                            The FBI even confirmed that there were several incidents of abuse at Guantanamo. These FBI reports were later confirmed by the Air Force. The agents have been mentioned as being appalled at the lack of professionalism displayed.
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #44
                              When you setup a prison on foreign territory and waive the Geneva Conventions, then have an official memo on how to torture people without getting in trouble, that sets up the enviornment for crap like this to go down.


                              Yes, because soldiers obviously wouldn't misbehave otherwise...
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                              • #45
                                There have been too many incidents in a row for this to be "a couple of bad apples."

                                This is a structural problem that goes all the way to the top.

                                Sorry.

                                Why do you think they were put on foreign soil before any soliders ever laid a hand on anyone?
                                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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