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  • yeah I was aware of that - its government for and by stupid people

    but my hypothesis is simpler - intelligent people don't get involved in politics
    Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

    Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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    • did the judge release these photos yet? I want to see Lyndie England naked.

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      • you are sick
        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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        • We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • Originally posted by Ted Striker
            Speaking of media mouthpieces, here is one of the biggest jokes I've ever seen. "Cheney offended." Who gives a **** if Cheney is offended?!

            This has been the lead story ALL DAY on CNN.com. Really, is that the most important story that we need to know?

            I'm offended he lied to everybody to go invade Iraq.

            **** Cheney. What a moron.

            I agree with you -- as if people have the right to be free from being offended anyway? So what if Cheney is offended?

            If you believe that United States never makes mistakes and never does anything delibrately wrong then yes, you're bound to be offended due to your warped view of United States.
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • Yesterday I had the "fun" of flipping through channels as the "Asman Report" or something Asman on Fox News was pontificating about the Amnesty International report yesterday. The essence of the piece was that a viewer, offended as Cheney was, went online to view the Berg beheading, and that "put things into context". Then they pulled up a Natan Sharansky quote of how in free societies abuses on human rights are found and dealt with but in 'fear' societies human rights are never violated because they don;t exists.

              The end of the piece said that viewers should go out there and thank US military personnel and also thank them for having to deal with "idiots" like Amnesty International for daring accuse the US of Human Rights violations, while we are fighting EVILTM

              I wanted to chuck something at the screen.

              The Grand Irony of that beiong that it is thanks to Amnesty International and such groups that Human Rights abuses in free societies ARE reported and dealt with (and Amnesty International more than reports about human rights abuses in the 'fear' societies), even more Ironic, if Fox News were the sole news channel, then the abuses would never have stopped since the fine, patriotic dunces at Fox would never actually besmirch the fine name of Der Fuehrer by publishing such scandalous things as reports that dirty sand****** terrorists were being "manhandled" by our brave young troops.
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              • Re: The public doesn't need to see these photos

                Originally posted by DanS
                I wonder what purpose will be served by publishing further Abu Ghraib abuse photos. We wouldn't think of publishing murder photos or video. We wouldn't think of publishing rape photos or video. Indeed, we try to avoid publishing explicit war photos and video. So what's the use of publishing and publicizing them in this case?
                Murder or rape are rarely committed under color of authority, and we try to avoid publishing explicit war photos and video because the vast majority of Americans have been conveniently spared the sights, sounds and smells of fresh traumatic amputation courtesy of some raghead and his poor-man's artillery of choice, the RPG. After all, public support for a war is more predictable if the public is insulated from the effects, right?

                I don't want to see these photos and feel like they're being forced on me by a pressure group seeking to discredit the military (the ACLU). Rumsfeld's account of them are detailed enough for my account and in any event the text references are sufficient to know what happened. It's going to be weeks of this crap -- every time I turn on the TV or walk down the street and see it on the front pages of the newspapers.
                So they should be censored and kept inaccessible because some people aren't interested? So much for the First Amendment - maybe we should just strip references to speech, the press and redressing government, and leave it as an amendment to protect religion via the establishment clause?
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                • Murder or rape are rarely committed under color of authority
                  That is true, thankfully. But ask yourself whether such photos would be published and publicized if the perps were police officers. Would pictures of the Louima affair in the heat of the action be published? Would the ensuing riots and mass nausea be an acceptable price to pay to "cleanse our souls" at having employed these sick fvcks?

                  I want to know about the broomstick, but feel like I gain nothing by seeing the broomstick in use and think a broad swath of the public would be traumitized by seeing it.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • Originally posted by DanS


                    That is true, thankfully. But ask yourself whether such photos would be published and publicized if the perps were police officers. Would pictures of the Louima affair in the heat of the action be published? Would the ensuing riots and mass nausea be an acceptable price to pay to "cleanse our souls"?

                    I want to know about the broomstick, but feel like I gain nothing by seeing the broomstick in use and think a broad swath of the public would be traumitized by seeing it.
                    I'm not sure what you are getting at. it's even more important to release these pictures if they are police officers. The police are there to serve the public. Not to hide behind a cloud of secrecy.

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                    • I don't think it would be secrecy not to release the photos under such a circumstance. The pictures would have been used at trial and we would have had text descriptions of the photos. In the end, we know what the police did to Louima in detail and that is enough.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • Originally posted by DanS


                        That is true, thankfully. But ask yourself whether such photos would be published and publicized if the perps were police officers. Would pictures of the Louima affair in the heat of the action be published? Would the ensuing riots and mass nausea be an acceptable price to pay to "cleanse our souls" at having employed these sick fvcks?
                        Louima doesn't have thousands of tenth cousins and fellow believers willing to strap dynamite to their chests just for the chance to send a few of us to hell on an ongoing basis. If he were part of that kind of threat, I'd want to know everything possible about how our national command authorities and those to whom they delegate operational responsibility are handling the Louimas and their tenth cousins.



                        I want to know about the broomstick, but feel like I gain nothing by seeing the broomstick in use and think a broad swath of the public would be traumitized by seeing it.
                        I understand your point, but I think the issue here is not gratuitous exploitation of pics of someone like Louima, but rather, how severe are the violations and how widespread? I think (from polls I've seen) that there's a good portion of the population that doesn't give a damn what we do in Gitmo or Abu Ghraib - I fall partly in the middle, in that I have a realistic understanding of prisoner treatment, especially of recent captures or irregular fighters. My concern isn't particularly with the poor insurgents who got captured before they got close to Allah, but with the efficiency of our operations and the level of discipline, command and control, and the degree of value we get out of our MI processing of insurgent prisoners.
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                        • In related news, the New York Times decided it would be a good idea to reveal the names of the shell companies the CIA uses in covert ops to ferry agents and prisoners around the world.

                          Central Intelligence Agency has rapidly expanded its air operations around world since 9/11, using rural hideaways, front companies and shell corporations to conceal its ownership of at least 26 planes; planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to CIA; companies are Aero Contractors Ltd, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation; civilian planes can go places American military craft would not be welcome; most of shell companies that are planes' nominal owners hold permits to land at American military bases worldwide, clue to their global mission; CIA has used these planes to seize terrorism suspects in one foreign country and deliver them to be detained in another, including countries that routinely engage in torture; some cases detailed; despite difficulty of determining purpose of any single flight or who was aboard, pattern of flights that coincide with known events is striking; flight logs show CIA plane left Washington within 48 hours of capture of several Al Qaeda leaders, flying to airports near place of arrest; other instances detailed; photos; maps; chart (L)


                          Thanks, guys...
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                          • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                            In related news, the New York Times decided it would be a good idea to reveal the names of the shell companies the CIA uses in covert ops to ferry agents and prisoners around the world.

                            Central Intelligence Agency has rapidly expanded its air operations around world since 9/11, using rural hideaways, front companies and shell corporations to conceal its ownership of at least 26 planes; planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to CIA; companies are Aero Contractors Ltd, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation; civilian planes can go places American military craft would not be welcome; most of shell companies that are planes' nominal owners hold permits to land at American military bases worldwide, clue to their global mission; CIA has used these planes to seize terrorism suspects in one foreign country and deliver them to be detained in another, including countries that routinely engage in torture; some cases detailed; despite difficulty of determining purpose of any single flight or who was aboard, pattern of flights that coincide with known events is striking; flight logs show CIA plane left Washington within 48 hours of capture of several Al Qaeda leaders, flying to airports near place of arrest; other instances detailed; photos; maps; chart (L)


                            Thanks, guys...
                            Do you really, honest to God believe that the major intelligence services in the world, including some with leaky ties to our enemies, don't know who these companies are or what they do?

                            The only people who've been fooled are the American people.
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                            • I'm sure the intelligence services knew and have for a long time. It's going to be more difficult for them to look the other way now that everybody in the world with access to the NYT website knows what these companies are and who they work for, though.
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                              • Originally posted by DanS


                                That is true, thankfully. But ask yourself whether such photos would be published and publicized if the perps were police officers.
                                When police officers brutalized Rodney King, I remember seeing the video footage quite often on television:



                                And I don't think the media exposure that was given to the photos of the Kent State massacre would have been any less had it been police officers and not National Guards acting in the capacity of police who did the killing.


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